Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[Ryllharu]

And for the sake of conversation... no one else said anything about my question regarding the Black Knight shooting Lelouch and Rollo

Sure we did....well, someone did. It's buried along with all this other stuff.

My opinion (at first) on that was the guy was just an idiot, shooting at any Britannians. He may not even have known Lelouch was Zero. Kallen and C.C. clearly told some of the higher ups of what remains, but they'd be stupid to let that information leak out. Lelouch was still allowed to operate in Area 11 under the guise of bait for C.C., but that does not mean he now has to leave school. He would only have to leave if Britannian forces suddenly become hostile towards him. Only the Emperor's special forces, and now Suzaku and crew, know that he is Zero (and very much alive). The brainwashing that the school seems to have undergone (sans Nina, yay!) has returned him to Lelouch Lamperouge.

But if you start from the assumption that he did know it was Zero, then he was definitely shooting at Rollo to separate the two and allow the rest of the Black Knights to "rescue" Lelouch and deliver him to C.C.

[Eros935]

I thought of another possibility

We saw some of the BK were pissed at Zero for abandoning them, so maybe there are some of the resistance with hard feelings toward Zero and wanting revenge? Or even just seeing as Lelouch was trying to protect Rollo and not knowing about the Geass and whatever brainwashing he’s been under just thinks they were betrayed

Thoughts? Ideas? Am I crazy?

[shinta|hikari]

The only show I have ever rewatched intentionally is Code Geass S1. By intentionally, I mean actually watching it again for the sake of simply enjoying it by myself, not watching it with friends in order to get them into it, or seeing it on TV by chance.

While marathoning is the best way to watch some shows, I believe that code geass does not belong to that classification. It simply has too much mystery and discussion potential to watch in one sitting, without even contemplating what will happen next. The main reason why CG is my favorite show is because they almost always take unexpected turns in both delivery and the direction of the story. While in most shows I can more or less guess what will happen next, geass has foiled my attempts numerous times.

@Eros - not crazy, but unlikely, since if CG does put something odd in its story, it usually has some bearing in the latter parts, unlike what you mentioned.

What about my question about Lelouch's geass? I'm not sure if people discussed it (I think not) but is it still permanent? If it is, the possibility of Lelouch going back to school is really slim. The chance of another Euphie situation occurring should be more than enough deterrent for Lelouch to avoid going to school.

[oyabun]

It should be permanent, now that the seals has been released. Unless C2 had some special way of seeling/unsealing it again.

[Eros935]

Hmm well I don’t know just figure there would be some mistrust at the very least
I don't think it'll effect the events of the plot a whole lot considering Zero is the best (and maybe only) hope to freeing area 11 but it really wouldn't suprise me that some of the population or resistance would have to be won over again by some act down the line

As to your question however, yea I too think its permanent since it didn't seem to disappear after he used it so it at least seems that way

[Crash]

What about my question about Lelouch's geass? I'm not sure if people discussed it (I think not) but is it still permanent? If it is, the possibility of Lelouch going back to school is really slim. The chance of another Euphie situation occurring should be more than enough deterrent for Lelouch to avoid going to school.

It's hard to say. It was off while he was brainwashed and it didn't turn on immediately after CC released his memories and gave him his powers back which tempts me to say it's back under control. However once he did use it they never showed it "switch off" as he spoke at the end of the episode. It could go either way.

Either way though i'd say his day's of lounging around school are done. Even if the Geass was under his control again his enemies know who he is and where he is now. Going back would be a horribly stupid mistake that i can't see him making.

[David75]

It's hard to say. It was off while he was brainwashed and it didn't turn on immediately after CC released his memories and gave him his powers back which tempts me to say it's back under control. However once he did use it they never showed it "switch off" as he spoke at the end of the episode. It could go either way.

Either way though i'd say his day's of lounging around school are done. Even if the Geass was under his control again his enemies know who he is and where he is now. Going back would be a horribly stupid mistake that i can't see him making.

Regardin his Geass, my guess earlier was that this 1 year break, with brainwhashing, was maybe a way for his body (or whatever) to recover and be able to control the Geass again.
I may be wrong, just a hypothesis.

[Buffalobiian]

I think that Lelouch's Geass will be under control again, simply because I think the school's purpose will be lost of Lelouch doesn't use it as his hideout anymore. Also, one of the most interesting points of the first series was that he could walk around without anyone knowing, and suddenly bring it upon them. One last supporting factor is that C.C. once said that this power consumes those who use it. If one can control it, they have the potential to be King. If Lelouch is to challenge the Emperorr, I think he'll have to have the same caliber.

i.e. a controlled Geass.

[Ryllharu]

I've got to agree with Buffalobiian, but for a more pragmatic reason.

If Lelouch doesn't continue at school, we've lost three characters who haven't been fully developed. Milly, Shirely (the one realizing "Zero" did something to her), and particularly Rivalz (the often ignored ). Not to mention Viletta, though she could probably be developed outside the school.

More towards Buffalobiian, we also lose a safe haven. Zero could once again operate in the Academy safely. Public opinion would keep him safe from most attacks by the army since he has once again returned to being simply Lelouch in the eyes of the public.

There's also the possibility of confronting Rollo. I wonder if Rollo would realize his (or whoever "locked" Lelouch down, probably the Emperor) amnesia effect is now gone. Lelouch should be able to figure out the true intentions in an environment where he wasn't expected.

I don't expect a lot of the series to take place there, but I can't see them leaving such a useful setting.

[David75]

There's something that hasn't been much explored yet in CG.
At first C.C. was detained by Britanian Army in a very secret manner.
No one knew about her, except a very small group of Britanian Army executives.

After the head of this group has been transfered due to his failure (he wasn't even killed for it...) there was no development towards who was really pulling the strings.

That could link CC to the Emperor for example.

[Buffalobiian]

There's something that hasn't been much explored yet in CG.
At first C.C. was detained by Britanian Army in a very secret manner.
No one knew about her, except a very small group of Britanian Army executives.

After the head of this group has been transfered due to his failure (he wasn't even killed for it...) there was no development towards who was really pulling the strings.

That could link CC to the Emperor for example.

I think this has all to do with the Emperor searching for all those Geass monuments. He's trying to unlock the secret of their kind and further his power. V.V. probably doesn't care, as the Emperor's probably completed his contract already, but doing so may wipe out C.C.'s kind. I reckon C.C.'s task for Lelouch is to stop the Emperor's plans. However, I'm inclined to know how she knows Empress Marianne.

[shinta|hikari]

Marianne is now one of the voices in her head, among many. I'm still not certain how that came about, but that implies a very close relationship. Is Marianne once in contract with C.C.? Or was she even a geass bearer? How did she even get in C.C.'s head in the first place?

[Ryllharu]

It was well documented in at least one episode and certainly the specials that Marianne came from the commoners and not the British nobility. She rose from the ranks of the knights to become one of the Emperor's Queens.

I would hazard a guess that it's more likely that Marianne also came from this mysterious caste of "witches" that C.C. remains the most powerful of. Perhaps not one of the direct line (with the characteristic 'V-shape' on forehead like we see in Lelouch's visions), but maybe a descendant down the line somewhere.

That would explain her connection to this, and especially the reasons that C.C. can communicate with her now.

I suspect that V.V. is on the exact opposite side of this little hidden war between the witches and whatever he is. We won't know until we know a lot more about the history of C.C. and the rest of the "witches."

[Inazuma]

I just hope that VV is going to be deported to oblivion, because both the art and the voice pisses me off. For a char that got such an important role(yet no screen time) they could have done better than that.

Now an other question I got for you all : Even though that I and several Gotwootian just keep pestering about characters not dying, would you like Euphie to come back ?
Because I would like her to, she had balls even though that she was only a figurehead and did her best to work toward Lelouch's goal but in an other way. She had that something that made her likable even though that she was a non-combat char.

[shinta|hikari]

I am personally hoping the V.V. and C.C. are not necessarily enemies, and are on the same side. The conflict that arises between them then stems from the conflict between their contractors, the emperor and Lelouch respectively. That serves for more complexity in the story.

About the Euphie thing - god no.
I was practically celebrating when I saw her go nuts and murder everyone. I'm not saying that she deserves to die, but her death is integral to the plot and should not be touched.

[Kraco]

I'm always against people resurrected. It makes no sense from continuity's point of view, plus it mitigates severely the effect their death had on the plot, like shinta|hikari said. Deaths are integral in good grand stories. In real life people die for good, and thus characters dying for good, though it closes many possible paths, will make it feel so much more realistic and believable. I would be lying if I said I liked Euphie but her death was a rather beautiful scene (or rather the fatal wounding scene).

[TheBladeChild]

I'm always against people resurrected. It makes no sense from continuity's point of view, plus it mitigates severely the effect their death had on the plot, like shinta|hikari said. Deaths are integral in good grand stories. In real life people die for good, and thus characters dying for good, though it closes many possible paths, will make it feel so much more realistic and believable. I would be lying if I said I liked Euphie but her death was a rather beautiful scene (or rather the fatal wounding scene).

Pretty much what these guys said, bringing her back would bring nothing to the story except seeing Suzaku go happy mode, and I really dont want to see that happening. Personally I think Suzaku has become more tolerable since hes become more angsty since Euphie's death. I'd rather have him as a angsty vengful SOB rather then a freaken boyscout. Lets not turn this into Gundam please.

[ShinobiNeko]

Read that Bandai confirmed that they have lisense of both the first and second season of Code Geass. -.-' rather quick pick up of R2 . Well, as long as there is subs , I'm happy, as the season started out great and waiting for the next episode

[oyabun]

Read that Bandai confirmed that they have lisense of both the first and second season of Code Geass. -.-' rather quick pick up of R2 . Well, as long as there is subs , I'm happy, as the season started out great and waiting for the next episode

Well I'm sure that even if one group has dropped CGS2, there will be another group that will be continuing it. So we won't have to worry about that. And me and Shinta has a little bit of experience in regards to subbing.. Oh god can't wait till this weekend. Just thinking about and speculating whats gonna happens makes me excited about the second episode. I guess the Order and Zero's next move is to free their imprisoned old alies. Any ideas about the new guys?

[animus]

Since this thread is in the new category "Series in Fuego", and reading the rules should we be starting a new thread for each episode, or just keep it in this one for discussion?