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    I was under the impression that the warning was pertaining to the Asuna x Kirito romantic relationship. Not "This guy will work too hard" or "This guy will create fucked up shit", but "This guy lives in a different world to us".

    Yuuki was telling Asuna that Kirito may not be someone she can accept or relate to in the long run.

    The statement talks about what/how Kirito is, than about what he is about to develop.

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    It simply meant that Kirito is not as attached to reality as normal people are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I was under the impression that the warning was pertaining to the Asuna x Kirito romantic relationship. Not "This guy will work too hard" or "This guy will create fucked up shit", but "This guy lives in a different world to us".

    Yuuki was telling Asuna that Kirito may not be someone she can accept or relate to in the long run.
    Right... And that girl who has spent all of her teenage years in VR is the foremost author on men, relationships, and romance? If she indeed was referring to the relationship, then it was nothing but kind of adorable bullshit and Asuna humoured her in a suitably benign manner. Thus I'd rather think she was referring to the fact Kirito's interests and choices in life at large might not be too healthy in her educated opinion, as she has seen too much of VR already.

    Let's also not forget Yuuki doesn't know Kirito at all. In my opinion he's not even addicted to VR, which is something Yuuki might be judging incorrectly. I doubt Asuna told her anything about the depth of their bond, either, such as how they saved each others' lives. Such things no doubt make a relationship more solid than meeting and dating at random under normal circumstances. They know what really matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Thus I'd rather think she was referring to the fact Kirito's interests and choices in life at large might not be too healthy in her educated opinion, as she has seen too much of VR already.
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    Let's also not forget Yuuki doesn't know Kirito at all. In my opinion he's not even addicted to VR,
    Exactly, Yuuki does not know Kirito all that well. What she's concerned about Asuna's well being. In this case, her relationship and choice of partners. Kirito's health per se doesn't bother her, but if that impacts on Asuna's happiness should she choose this guy, Yuuki feels she should warn.

    It's not that Kirito is busy developing this tech or that his tech causes problems for other people - it's that he's going to be absorbed in it when it comes to fruition. That's the way I'm reading it.

    I agree that this is about Kirito's interests and choices, but I don't agree that the warning is about the current Kirito, but about where he'll end up. Again, Yuuki's point is that she has reservations about Asuna's future happiness with him.

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    I think you guys are overthinking it.

    It's obvious that Yuuki and Kirito were both able to discern things about each other during their fight. Yuuki doesn't know Kirito any more than he knows her, yet he was still able to gain insight into her through that brief interaction. She obviously did the same.

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    Next week: Kirito will find a cure for AIDS
    More likely, he'll invent the technology that simply allows her to upload her consciousness to the internet.

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    I'd second that. He already roughly had an idea of how the process worked from Kayaba, so it wouldn't be beyond reason for him to "perfect" the method. Maybe by using his original NerveGear or something.

    In any case, was I the only one who kinda effed up and misread the Yuuki's and thought just maybe Asuna and Yuuki were related? I started getting the feeling I was wrong and then this last episode confirmed it haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmkze04 View Post
    In any case, was I the only one who kinda effed up and misread the Yuuki's and thought just maybe Asuna and Yuuki were related? I started getting the feeling I was wrong and then this last episode confirmed it haha.
    That's understandable because she kept calling her "sis". But it's just because she reminded her of her actual dead sister, not because they were actually related.

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    You can't give critical commentary on something you didn't even watch.

    Whew, Harry Potter book 4 is such awful shit. I stopped after book 3. It's really impressive you guys are still reading book 4 because that plot arc in book 4 is just so shitty. Am I right or what?

    Surely the ridiculousness of something like that doesn't escape you. I'm not "getting defensive", I'm just pointing out how silly your statement is. Everybody is welcome to their own opinion, but comments like that don't make any interesting conversation. Like, I'd ask what you didn't like, but you didn't even watch it...

    On topic, I'm enjoying the commentary about the recent episodes, but I can't really say anything because I know what happens.

    Edit: While I agree that the other posts weren't really on topic, deleting them seems a little extreme. We should be able to have a civil discussion about the things people post on the forum. And if you're going to delete stuff, it seems silly to not delete this one, too, as it makes no sense now.
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    episode 24 is out
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    well, thats that.
    Unfortnately, what I said at the beginning of this second season held true to the end: the vast success of SAO let its creator get it to his head. He and his series have become too full of themselves.

    So many episodes wasted on (bad) slice of life-scenes, when that isnt what SAO was supposed to be about. This last episode was especially bad, since really nothing of importance happened at all.

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    This was one of the better arcs of SAO, simply because there was far less chances for the typical SAO bullshit here. No doubt partially because Kirito had a lesser role. Yuuki's death wasn't bad either, even if having thousands of people there to send her off was kind of goofy. But then again, it's a game, so why not. Gamers would lose absolutely nothing by being there in VR, as opposed to travelling physically somewhere far away.

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    After the first few skip scenes that showed Yuuki really pushing out into the world and being recognized by the VRMMO community, which one could logically assume her story in RL would be leaked at some point and publicized everywhere, it seemed like a mass funeral for that kind of player in the VR world was appropriate. Right as the actual death scene started though it became just a run-on emo clip that was written very poorly, IMO. Had this episode been cut in half, I would have enjoyed it much more.

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    Yuuki x Asuna always gave me really strong NTR vibes regardless of how they chalk it up to it being a different relationship. It all comes down to Yuuki sounding like a boy and having created a soft-spot in Asuna's heart.

    I enjoyed this arc. I'm also intrigued to know that the whole SAO saga was really an experiment to see the effects of full-dive technology on humans. No doubt it wouldn't have passed ethics committees nor have been implemented on such a large scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'm also intrigued to know that the whole SAO saga was really an experiment to see the effects of full-dive technology on humans. No doubt it wouldn't have passed ethics committees nor have been implemented on such a large scale.
    Yeah, well, because what exactly does the "die in the game, die in real life" do to help you test the device? The guy's still a psycho even if he was designing medical equipment on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Yeah, well, because what exactly does the "die in the game, die in real life" do to help you test the device? The guy's still a psycho even if he was designing medical equipment on the side.
    It locks people into the game for years. During that time, you develop the medical protocols and knowledge of how to handle someone who is diving for an indefinite amount of time. Then when they wake up, you see the psychological effects that 1-2 years of separation from reality has on people. In the meanwhile, society debates about the ethics of dive technology and sorts out how it wants to take things in the future.

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    I don't know how business works in Japan, but over here an extremely negative first impact/impression wouldn't help new technology's adaptation and relevant legislation. I do believe this show painted a bit too rosy picture since thousands of other people were already diving happily with the next version of the VR gear well before SAO players were out of their forced coma. Though I supposed there would be a very high pressure to allow it in order to stay at the forefront in the technology and business race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    It locks people into the game for years.
    How does having the player die in real life if they die in the game accomplish that exactly?

    Wouldn't just killing people only if someone tried to disconnect them do that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I don't know how business works in Japan, but over here an extremely negative first impact/impression wouldn't help new technology's adaptation and relevant legislation.
    Exactly this. "That machine that murdered thousands of people" is kind of a PR nightmare that the technology would never really recover from.

    Except in this series, where it inexplicably recovered instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth
    How does having the player die in real life if they die in the game accomplish that exactly?

    Wouldn't just killing people only if someone tried to disconnect them do that?
    It would, if you viewed SAO as only an experiment for a person's body management. I can't say what else Kayaba would have had in mind for creating a death game, but I can say that death makes life that much more tense and meaningful, be it real or virtual. You can't really take life seriously if there's a respawn mechanic.

    The whole ethics and psychology thing comes into it as well. Remember GGO and the guy who goes around killing people?

    It's all about pushing VR to the edge and seeing what that does. I can see lots of crazy and unethical "experiments" (Nazis etc) being a mixture of "Let's do this because it's useful" and "Let's do this because we can and we find it interesting."

    "That machine that murdered thousands of people" is kind of a PR nightmare that the technology would never really recover from.
    Stupid dumb masses. That's what happened to nuclear powerplants, and thanks to that we've been using the same old shit for 60 years because no one wants to support it, but they can't do without. Nerv/Amusphere wouldn't suffer the same shock because you can ensure it provides no real danger, unlike nuclear explosions. There's also no real alternative to VR, unlike energy sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    There's also no real alternative to VR, unlike energy sources.
    Except for just watching normal TV and playing regular video games...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Except for just watching normal TV and playing regular video games...
    That's hardly an alternative.

    That's like saying the alternative to nuclear electricity is to do things by hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    That's like saying the alternative to nuclear electricity is to do things by hand.
    I think that comparison is hyperbolic.

    Having and not having electricity is not the same as playing video games with or without a VR interface.

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