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    Depressing...

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Also, was it ever explained when Aimz became a true evil guy? He's supposed to be a human who got trapped in a vrmmorpg's world - so he's human really, in mind anyway. It's kinda fucked up to kill and torture people so casually.
    Feel the same. "true" Ainz only shows up for internal jokes now.

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    Again, they're thieves. He asked them about their motives, and they were only after money anyway.
    Pretty sure Japanese salarymen don't normally think brutal murder is an appropriate punishment for thievery.
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    Earlier as Momon he asked them all why they would do it. They all said it was for money. If a few said they were being forced to and they don't want to loot/disrespect a tomb then I think he would have let them live. Lke those elves/half elf slaves. They weren't shown to be killed so I think they were instead recruited. I mean he even gave them a chance to line their pockets with golds when they found a few tombs stuffed with it. That would have been in the end of it. But they got greedy which led to their deaths.

    The only thing he cares for is Nazarick and it's inhabitants. The rest can die for all he cares. Sure he does not want to kill innocents and he himself does not. But the moment you touch Nazarick you are no longer innocent.

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    It was explained in the very first episode of Overlord that Ainz doesn't feel like a human anymore.

    No remorse or any psychological harm when he crushes hearts or zaps people to a crispy piece meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin View Post
    Sure he does not want to kill innocents and he himself does not. But the moment you touch Nazarick you are no longer innocent.
    He doesn't want innocents to needlessly suffer. However, plenty of innocents have been killed by those working for him, for the good of Nazarick, which makes it his responsibility, but he's not particularly concerned about it. I guess he's lawful evil.

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    He also stated in the first season that he is somewhat of a hypocrite.
    He knows that innocents were dying by Nazarick and the only thing that he can do is painless death. But he, himself, does not kill innocent people. So yeah, hypocrite indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    It was explained in the very first episode of Overlord that Ainz doesn't feel like a human anymore.

    No remorse or any psychological harm when he crushes hearts or zaps people to a crispy piece meat.
    That's BS. He makes sympathetic emotional decisions all the time. Then afterwards scrambles to make up a logical excuse so his minions won't think he's soft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    That's BS. He makes sympathetic emotional decisions all the time. Then afterwards scrambles to make up a logical excuse so his minions won't think he's soft.
    Just because he isn't mindlessly killing everyone doesn't mean he's still thinking like a human.
    By now, he has killed a few hundred monsters and humans already - most of them merely for tests and he ordered it personally.
    And it has absolutely no impact on him... or do you see it robbing him of sleep... or does he even think twice about doing it after warning them once?

    Whenever he stops acting like the supreme ruler of Nazarick, the game "green aura"-thing kicks in to get him back on track... he's actually not even able to be his human self anymore.

    One of the reasons why he does acts of sympathy is due to Touch Me's influence on him - or rather the guild itself.. so the game-thing-stuff-green-aura doesn't kick in.

    edit: what I'm saying is... Ainz has absolutely no problem with killing people as soon as they are more valuable dead than alive, he has no problem in making them suffer either if they anger him. I can hardly call that human..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Just because he isn't mindlessly killing everyone doesn't mean he's still thinking like a human.
    By now, he has killed a few hundred monsters and humans already - most of them merely for tests and he ordered it personally.
    And it has absolutely no impact on him... or do you see it robbing him of sleep... or does he even think twice about doing it after warning them once?

    Whenever he stops acting like the supreme ruler of Nazarick, the game "green aura"-thing kicks in to get him back on track... he's actually not even able to be his human self anymore.

    One of the reasons why he does acts of sympathy is due to Touch Me's influence on him - or rather the guild itself.. so the game-thing-stuff-green-aura doesn't kick in.

    edit: what I'm saying is... Ainz has absolutely no problem with killing people as soon as they are more valuable dead than alive, he has no problem in making them suffer either if they anger him. I can hardly call that human..
    What I'm saying is ... Ainz felt really off this last episode and imo has turned into a fulljon evil villain now. So much that I'm now rooting for someone to show up who can beat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    What I'm saying is ... Ainz felt really off this last episode and imo has turned into a fulljon evil villain now. So much that I'm now rooting for someone to show up who can beat him.
    A: How should we get famous (so I can find my friends)?
    D: Bait some greedy thieves into our den, then kill them all to show how strong we are.
    A: Hmm, I don't usually like killing people, but whatever.

    A: Why are you guys doing this?
    T: For money.
    A: So you have been offered enough money to put your life on the line?
    T: Yep.
    A: I see, so it's your choice.


    It's not Ainz's problem that these guys got their risk assessment wrong. In fact, what risk assessment? These guys had no clue and just went in.

    This is hardly "full on evil".

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    New Ep is out.

    Basically more Ainz swinging his dick around. From the way it's all progressing I hope S4 will be coming. Only 3 more episodes to go.

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    That emperor has nice qualities, but lacks heaps of powers to even start something meaningful against Ains.
    That ep would've been nice if it had a hint of such a power somewhere.
    The only hint of hope is that the Emperor was somehow not as affected as the others by Demiurgos.
    So I guess some of his equipment is of a sufficient level for that.
    We have yet to see if there's something Ains level of power, even if we know there's something around Shalltear level.

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    Ains hearing about his own, supposed, plans from his underlings never gets old.

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    Lame development. Why would anyone want to fight against Nazarick after going through all that? It makes no sense to me at all.
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    He pretty much explained it already. He views Ains as a stereotypical fantasy RPG "demon lord" and fully expects that he'll do the cliche demon lord things of swallowing the world in darkness and destroying all life for funsies eventually.


    I was honestly expecting his title would be Overlord...

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    That doesn't make sense. He already knew Ainz was unbeatable, yet Ainz still suggested an alliance with him. It's more logical for him to think of ways to make peace or be subservient but safe to the demon lord than trying to fight. Fighting is utterly moronic considering the power difference, and trying to make Ainz's servants betray him is even more foolish. He had no basis to think they'd be inclined to do anything like that...

    I call bad (forced) writing.

    If Ainz or Demi wanted them to gang up and fight, they shouldn't have shown too much of their power. That'd incite the humans to rebel because they'd believe they have a fighting chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    That doesn't make sense. He already knew Ainz was unbeatable, yet Ainz still suggested an alliance with him. It's more logical for him to think of ways to make peace or be subservient but safe to the demon lord than trying to fight. Fighting is utterly moronic considering the power difference
    *shrug* Ainz is a monster and people be racist.

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    Humans are racist only when they have power. Otherwise, they are slaves, which should be the case here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Humans are racist only when they have power. Otherwise, they are slaves, which should be the case here.
    That was up to Ainz, and he didn't enslave them. He made them his allies and let them go, which gives them the perception that they still have power, which leaves them free to be racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    That doesn't make sense. He already knew Ainz was unbeatable, yet Ainz still suggested an alliance with him. It's more logical for him to think of ways to make peace or be subservient but safe to the demon lord than trying to fight. Fighting is utterly moronic considering the power difference, and trying to make Ainz's servants betray him is even more foolish. He had no basis to think they'd be inclined to do anything like that...

    I call bad (forced) writing.

    If Ainz or Demi wanted them to gang up and fight, they shouldn't have shown too much of their power. That'd incite the humans to rebel because they'd believe they have a fighting chance.
    Soviet Union offered various treaties and agreements to a number of countries before WW2. Those that accepted soon found themselves with puppet governments in place and their towns full of Soviet troops. Some countries, including my own home country, refused the offers from the "unbeatable superpower", and the whole world assumed Finland would be finished in a few weeks. People don't always bow before unbeatable things even in history, so it's hard for me to call that "bad writing" as it would be calling history bad writing as well, which is an oxymoron.

    He probably does think that if all humanity forms an alliance against Nazarick, something could happen. It's kind of hard to imagine an opponent so powerful even that would be meaningless. It's not like he'd have really witnessed Nazarick's true might so far. He doesn't even have Arche's magic eyes. All he knows is that Nazarick didn't simply destroy the empire but instead offered an alliance. If he considers the Nazarick folks utterly evil, it makes sense they could fight amongst themselves. A villain's worst enemy is often not a hero but another villain. It happens even in better places.

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    It's bad writing because the emperor was made out to be smart. If he was an idiotic ruler, like a lot of rulers in history, it would be totally believable. However, he felt the power difference personally, and he's supposed to be this amazing revolutionary king who changed his empire in one generation to become more prosperous.

    Everyone kept saying defeating Ainz is beyond human hands, and his conclusion is to band together with more humans, ffs. That's an idiot's decision, and he isn't supposed to be one. Bad writing.

    And about him not witnessing Nazarick's true might? Remember his 4 best warriors only barely able to hold back 1 death knight? And Ainz produced one on a whim? And they are treated like maids? And the dragon? And that random kid that sank an entire platoon of soldiers into the ground? I'd think that's more than enough to realize humanity is doomed if they go against Nazarick. Quality vs. Quantity.

    About him expecting a betrayal, he recognized that Ainz is very intelligent, with each move having meaning. Yet he expects such a leader to be betrayed by his minions? Like, how will he even incite them to rebel..? What will he use as incentive when Ainz has everything he has to offer and more, something he admitted himself early in the episode? It's a preposterous idea.

    All that badly written asshat knows is that Nazarick offered them an alliance, and now he wants to use that alliance to somehow defeat Nazarick. That makes no sense because that plan assumes Nazarick will actually treat them like allies and they will be in a position to benefit from that in order to help the other humans. In that case, why not just become true allies? Instead of trying to rebel with limited info, a true wise king would try to understand WHY Ainz offered an alliance, instead of trying to use it against him.
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