I don't think he can buy any time. The duel won't delay Ainz's command.
So for him to not tell his minions to kill the king, he needs to offer something in return.
I don't think he can buy any time. The duel won't delay Ainz's command.
So for him to not tell his minions to kill the king, he needs to offer something in return.
Wait wait. What are you guys talking about? Who needs political power? Ainz can just keep using random magic and conquer anything. All the plans so far and in the future are pointless because he wields absolute power.
Peace.
He said he doesn't want to rule that way because it's bothersome.
That's like the exact opposite of what he is doing. His current method is the epitome of bothersome when he can just pawn everyone and then show how much better they will live under his rule, with all the affairs managed by his extremely capable floor guardians.
The end.
Peace.
Not really.
He doesn't need to kill 50% of the worlds population that way.
Not really bothersome either. What he has to do NOW is bothersome (fighting himself to show power)
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 09:20 AM.
No, no, no.
He doesn't have to fight himself, nor kill 50% of the population. Just have his minions kill the leaders and replace them. They have absolute power, after all. The end.
Peace.
And how would they replace everyone and with whom? Why would the population all over the world follow?
What exactly do you believe will the families of the 200.000 soldiers that died in that episode think?
Because he has absolute power. They have to follow him. That's how it worked back then. Even royalty and nobles ruled like that, but he doesn't even need to do politics because he is practically god in that world. Even just Shalltear is enough to instill fear in an entire army, much more in normal peasants.
Just replace the King with one of his maids and have them rule as proxy of Demiurg-whatever. People don't wanna follow? Kill them. People rebel? Kill them. They will stop soon enough, far sooner than the strange 50% population decrease number you came up.
The problem is given Ainz and his minion's abilities and powers, there are a million simpler ways to achieve their goals, but those simpler ways are boring, which kinda defeats the purpose of entertainment. I get that, really. That doesn't change the fact that all these things are taking the long way around, done for its own sake.
Peace.
It's not that simple.
You could argue that he has the power to crush anyone, but that doesn't make everyone obidient.
It's bothersome to deal with displeased vassals, it's easier to control them by bringing them to your side.
sounds extremely bothersome (especially since his followers are not able to judge humans properly), not to mention the annoying powerstruggle that comes along with it when you kill every powerful position in the kingdom and can't fill it up.ust replace the King with one of his maids and have them rule as proxy of Demiurg-whatever. People don't wanna follow? Kill them. People rebel? Kill them. They will stop soon enough, far sooner than the strange 50% population decrease number you came up.
Not even remotely as simple as you believe.
It's so naive..
Dangerous too considering that other players might be active.
I have no idea why you think Nazerik has enough capabilities to govern millions of humans in the first place.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 01:04 PM.
Your definition of bothersome is strange. For these monsters, it's far easier to just squish someone than to go through lengthy discussions, show off your wealth, trying to win them over, or use weird tactics etc.
The reason those things are done in history is because no one ever possessed absolute power. Ainz does. That's the difference I'm trying to point out.
And who the heck said to kill every powerful person in the kingdom? Just kill the King and replace. Then if someone rebels, kill them and make them examples. The others will then follow you.
And how the heck is this bothersome to Ainz if he can just let Demiurg-whatever do all the work? I don't even understand why he wants to keep doing whatever the heck he is doing. He has a ton of extremely capable, extremely underused minions...
In any case, I'm done explaining this over and over. Some people just like to complicate things, I guess.
Peace.
Dude. 1 guy can't controll everything at the same time. It's simply overwhelming.
If you kill nobles, some dudes have to replace these nobles, there are assets that's have to be distributed, you have to keep the populace somewhat happy so they don't become unproductive.
What does he even gain from conquering the world if he can't use the population properly? Why not seclude himself back into his Tomb?
The world isn't some 5x5kmē field. He still doesn't know how many GM-Artifacts are around, or even players, he lost 1 of his lvl 100 companions already and had to revive her and he can't revive her again and again because it cost Yggdrasil money, but the money in this world isn't yggdrasil money as far as we can tell from the first 2 episodes.
He'll probably be able to control the Kingdom soon and won't have to deal with sheming unloyal nobles.
If you put just any noble onto the throne that doesn't have any legitimacy, you'll have another one who want's to be Ainz favorite and they scheme against each other.
So he'll make it look like the noble sucks and needs to be replaced -> Ainz will have to look into it and adjust the situation.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 01:16 PM.
Then have some new people rise from the ranks and replace the nobles at their work. Pretty sure there are tons of them nipping at their heels, and those guys will not rebel because they already know how that'll end up.
I don't understand why you seem to think a ton of people are going to die with the simple plan I proposed. People won't suicide if they know it's futile. Ainz isn't gonna wipe out the entire government. He will just replace the top, just like how they do it in real world regimes. Only with Ainz's power and wealth, it will never be a corrupt government (evil, but not corrupt).
And what the heck is 5x5kmē? Did you mean 5x5km, which is incidentally 5kmē? Or did you just want me to do some math, and you actually meant 25kmē?
Peace.
For real. They've already made it clear he gives no shits about human lives anymore. He needs absolutely nothing from these people and they can't do anything to him. What purpose does political power serve?Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Preach!!!!
Didn't he just announce himself to the world in this episode? He's not trying to keep his identity a secret anymore. In fact, that was the entire point of this war, to show off.
I don't understand. Even if he did not do as I said (kill top and replace - the quick way), he will still have to deal with admin stuff like this once he starts ruling them. Of course, he will delegate this to Demiguy, because why not.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 01:22 PM.
Peace.
It's his goal to spread the name, yes... but that doesn't mean he goes everywhere to simply conquer. The battle was right next to his home
It's also not his goal to be a dictator and sully the name of Ainz Ool Gown, which is another reason why he can't rule through sheer force alone.
A king that is sitting on the throne legitmately won't have as many enemies as a random noble he decided to put on that throne. He will also be able to reign by himself and have enough support to handle stuff aloneI don't understand. Even if he did not do as I said (kill top and replace - the quick way), he will still have to deal with admin stuff like this once he starts ruling them. Of course, he will delegate this to Demiguy, because why not.
It's as simple as that.
Demiguy is already occupied with the Empire btw.
It's pretty simple, you prepare the conquest, and then usurp either directly or indirectly.
Wait, what legitimate king? Isn't Ainz gonna kill the king and replace him with someone after all this? If it's the empire that takes control of the kingdom, that's still usurpation. I don't understand what you mean by legitimate.
I didn't mean he should just go everywhere and conquer randomly. What I said was his methods are too convoluted and meandering when he can easily crush everyone. He should still take logical steps that makes things more simple and easy.
And what is this about being a dictator and sullying the name of Ainz Owl Gown? He just massacred hundreds of thousands of people when he could have just as easily not done so. What the heck is left to sully? In fact, isn't he just doing this war because of Demi's misunderstanding? He just wants to look cool in front of his minions (who will support him even if he isn't cool, they were programmed like that), so he slaughtered hordes of humans. That's like the dumbest reason to be evil...
EDIT:
Btw, I just realized that wars were led by nobles in their world, right? Wouldn't they have been wiped out in that massacre too? There goes preserving the government lol.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 02:39 PM.
Peace.
If he kills the king the Prince will inherit.
The nobles have sons and a succession line too.Btw, I just realized that wars were led by nobles in their world, right? Wouldn't they have been wiped out in that massacre too? There goes preserving the government lol.
Most of the current nobles are obviously also corrupt.
The goverment is still intact, it's probably weaker now and alot easier to manipulate.
It's a completely different thing if you kill them on the battlefield or if you kill them while they are sitting on their throne.
He declared independence and was attacked by the kingdom. He defended his territory.And what is this about being a dictator and sullying the name of Ainz Owl Gown? He just massacred hundreds of thousands of people when he could have just as easily not done so. What the heck is left to sully?
He doesn't rule with an iron fist where no one is allowed to speak against him.
In one version he is a powerful leader, in the other (yours) he is Hitler
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 03:03 PM.
How are they different? The only difference I see is hundreds of thousands of soldiers not dying, and Ainz not having to act badass.
I got this from the wiki:
"King Ramposa III called together the royalty and nobility for a meeting. He announced that the Kingdom had once again received a declaration of war from the Empire for their annual war at the Katze Plains. However, this time the Empire had formed an alliance with the newly founded Sorcerer Kingdom, led by Sorcerer King Ainz Ooal Gown, and demanded the Kingdom cede over the city of E-Rantel. Knowing that they don't stand a chance against Ainz, Gazef advised the king to give into the demands. However, the king explained that he couldn't do that. Despite this, the Nobility Faction, now even more desperate to undermine the Royalty Faction following their increased influence, supported Gazef's suggestion. In the end, it was unanimously decided to go to war after Marquis Raeven pointed out that the Empire was unlikely to stop at E-Rantel."
Nice defense.
Peace.
What? How do you portrait , as you say, "absolute power" without killing hundreds of thousands of soldiers?How are they different? The only difference I see is hundreds of thousands of soldiers not dying, and Ainz not having to act badass.
That aside - the difference is:
One is rightful and just, the other is not - for the people in that area/time.
If a prince murdered a king, he wouldn't succeed the throne without any issues.
If the king died on the battlefield against some external threat however, no one would question the succession.
He doesn't want to be seen as a tyrant by the common folk..it doesn't do him any good, it's certainly not beneficial.
as for the wiki quote...
? I don't know what you are trying to point out?
That's what declaring independence is..
Episode 10:
The official message is that the Empire recognizes the land near E-Rantel as territory owned by Ains Ool Gown and the Kingdom should return that land to it's original owner and will ally themselves with the Sorcerer King Gown to liberate him from unrighteous rule. (they are basically pushing his claim)
declaring independence is a declaration of war against the party that is currently ruling over the would be independent country.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 09-26-2018 at 03:44 PM.
By killing, say, a few hundred of them using the twins like they did with the Empire? Pretty sure the emperor realized Ainz's power with that stunt. In fact, why didn't they just do that with the kingdom too? Actually, what's the point of spreading his name if he can just fly to the next country again and drop a dragon on them too?
Suddenly declaring independence which results in a war is not a passive or defensive action. They were the ones demanding stuff from the Kingdom, not the other way around.
Massacring hundreds of thousands of people is not just in their world either. That said, it doesn't matter if it's just or not, because Ainz has ABSOLUTE POWER.
Whatever, I quit.
Peace.
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