Deleting my posting, classy!!1
Deleting my posting, classy!!1
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Who did what?
EDIT: Your post is missing. I wonder what happened. Oh mine too. They got moderated, for obvious reasons.
Peace.
Ah still going I see. It is still entertaining though kinda hard to stay invested since you're all just rehashing the same points that were made 17 pages ago. Anyway Mfauli. I am just curious about something. In talking about the origins of Saitama's strength you used the words reasonable and ridiculous and I wonder if you are actually serious because my initial response was laugher. You talk about Goku and Superman or DF as if their origins are reasonable and not ludicrous and absurd like Saitama's. I'm just wondering how much you thought about that before you posted it because regardless of the source of their power. Whether it is DBZ or One Piece or Bleach or Naruto or Darker than Black or Black Cat or Trigun it is all absurd. The idea that somehow, "I did a lot of push ups" is ludicrous and absurd but I am an alien from another planet or my daddy sealed a demon inside of me is reasonable, is hilariously warped really.
Anyway let me try to make an actual point before I lose my train of thought. Shinta said it, the origin of his power is completely irrelevant and would make no damn difference. You just seem to have this delusion that having some long convoluted backstory with flashbacks and training montages and tons of meaningless exposition would somehow make this all better, see Naruto. When the issue you have is one of dramatic tension. There are many many shows that go out of their way to create a false sense of suspense by creating some arbitrary barrier for the MC to overcome. Whether you call it super saiyan, SS2, SS3, SSGod. One tail, four, six, eight, sage mode, Bankai or whatever the hell. When it makes no damned bit of difference because we know for a fact that no matter how difficult or impossible it is supposed to be the MC is going to do it anyway. The shonen-power up trope can get really annoying and one of the best things about OPM is that there is not even the pretense that any opponent has even the slightest chance of defeating Saitama. He is Steven Seagal in every Steven Seagal movie. Why you insist that it should be otherwise I still don't understand. If training arcs and constant shonen powerups is what you want then watch Yuyu Hakusho. Or if you want a protag who is at a constant disadvantage and has to continually jump through hoops to have a chance to face his enemies only to discover that there are yet more hoops to jump through then go for Inuyasha. Arguing about this is pointless. Also don't attempt to justify it by saying this all needs to be explained in order to provide an opponent who can be a threat to Saitama just to satisfy your need for dramatic tension. Regardless of how strong the opponent is supposed to be and however reasonable or absurd their backstory we know how it is going to end. It is in the title.
No real reason why you should as it was years ago.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Last edited by Abdula; Fri, 10-07-2016 at 07:45 PM.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
That is where I stopped reading, because youīre completely wrong here. Itīs actually astounding that you failed to realize that yourself.
OF COURSE, it is completely reasonable when Gokuīs power is explained by being member of a different species (well, race, considering they can impregnate human girls). I donīt know how I could even begin to explain why becoming the most powerful being by doing some push-ups is ridiculous and all the other franchises you named are not. Goku is an alie. Ichigo becomes a shinigami. Ruffy ate a devil fruit.
Saitama ... did what millions of people do, too. Thatīs the difference between reasonable and ridiculous. If there were thousands or other Saitamaīs on earth, then it would be a reasonable explanation.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I have to agree with Mfauli here, mostly because Saitama's power origin being silly is intentional. Dat's da joke.
Peace.
Sigh. It is actually kind of disappointing that you missed my point. You guys have just become so conditioned to accept these ridiculous origin stories by rote that you fail to see that Saitama's is no more ridiculous than any other. As you said Shinta, that is the joke, it's satire. The purpose, at least as I understood it, was just to highlight how ridiculous these stories can be in other series. Which is why I questioned Mfauli's use of the word reasonable. It is fine if you don't see it that way but you're only encouraging Mfauli and his ridiculous notion that Saitama's power has to be explained in order to present a worthy opponent.
There doesn't need to be thousands of others Mfauli but the very explanation of how Saitama is said to have attained his strength opens the door for others to be presented with equal incredulity. Though I don't suppose that even if that were to happen and there were others who had attained comparable strength in a similar fashion, you would accept that your point is moot.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I am in no way encouraging Mfauli. If anything, I discourage him for no reason whatsoever all the time.
As for why I agreed with him, I took "reasonable" to mean "reasonable for the fiction's universe." DBZ has aliens, and Bleach has shinigami. Naturally, those make no sense when compared to our reality, but they are consistent with the presented fictional world's setting.
However, Saitama just became powerful for no real reason in the context of his own world, which makes it ridiculous to the point where the characters in that universe call it out on its ridiculousness. This is done for comedic effect. All other heroes have extensive origin stories, even the ones in OPM itself, but the most powerful guy grew powerful from push ups.
Peace.
Which is the same context Iīm using the word "reasonable". Abdula simply made a weak argument and got called out for it.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Again I feel like we've taken a step back somewhere. I am not sure what we are arguing. Yes even keeping it in universe many shonen series have broken characters. DBZ and Bleach are among the worst offenders. Shinta you yourself said that the reason for Saitama's power is irrelevant. If it were because he is alien, or ate a DF, or as the result of an experiment gone wrong or he is descended from an ancient bloodline of which he is the sole survivor. His strength would be no less overwhelming and equally unattainable.
Also this is all assuming that there is no one else in that universe who also has overwhelming power for equally frivolous reasons.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I am not sure what you are arguing, but my statement was pretty clear, and it has nothing to do with being OP. It's all about an origin story being reasonable. I'm not stating anything beyond that.
Peace.
All those "broken characters" in other series have believable, reasonable origins for their powers - in the context of their universe. Saitama doesnīt. His powerīs origin is something everybody of us could do, and something that millions of people actually do. Without the same result. Thatīs what makes his power absolutely unattainable.
With Goku, you always have stronger enemies because "aliens!" is a valid explanation within the universeīs context.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Sigh, yeah. I'll see if anyone comes along who happens to agree with me and can do a better job of explaining because this is just going to keep going in circles. Call it semantics but we are arguing what constitutes reasonable, just like before I made the point that Mfauli has a very different definition of what constitutes parody. Mfauli has been going on and on about Saitama's strength and saying that the whole thing is unreasonable, because no one else could attain Saitama's strength. I am simply pointing out that at any point someone else can be introduced with equally incredulous strength. You also used the word consistent which I take issue with because strength in DBZ and Bleach, the two examples you used, are anything but consistent. You seemed to be siding with Mfauli on that issue which I could not understand.
This is and has been the crux of Mfauli's argument since his very first post in this thread and this is where I am saying he is wrong. Saitama's origin in no way precludes there being other strong characters because according to Saitama himself push-ups is a valid explanation within the universe's context.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
It "precludes other strong characters", because it is a fact that there are thousands, if not millions of people who do the same training as Saitama, if not more.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I agree with what Abdula says, and I can't say it any better. So I won't.
As for Saitama getting stronger with doing pushups, I don't believe that for one second. He happened to do pushups. It's not what made him stronger.
The very first monster he killed by gutting him with his necktie. He was born OP, he just never realised it.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
all we need to prove that saitama's powerup is legit is a villain that started doing the same regime being able to challenge saitama.
and then saitama winning by a technicality for satire!
That very first monster happened to turn into half man - half crab, by drinking crab-soup or something like that.
~no~one~cares.
Every other monster aside from Boris has taken one hit to finish off (or could have). Even in episode 00, despite Saitama seemingly being less agile, people went down with one punch. Most of it is off-screen, but the timing and physical marks all suggest this.
Close. That would just prove that the villain is as strong as Saitama. "Proof" would actually require evidence that Saitama would never have gotten stronger without that training - not just that someone else doing the same thing got the same result.
(That proof doesn't exist, since he ripped the crab apart right from the start)
The villain achieving the same thing would suggest more legitimacy to Saitama's training, but it's not quite "all you need" for absolute proof.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sun, 10-09-2016 at 04:57 AM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Saitama didn't punch Crablante at all. he ripped his eye out. He even took a beating and was injured and bleeding. Saitama 3 years later doesn't bleed and doesn't use anyhing but punches - that's because he was normal before, who had to use anything at his disposal and was very well killable, and now - after training - he's not.
Saitama was like Mumen Rider, unless you want to give him some super powers, even though he clearly doesn't have any, you are wrong. There is no indication that implies that it is somehow impossible to beat Crablante without dormant super powers.
If we are being super technical about this, neither resistance nor strength was enough to rip apart the tie he used to rip its eye out.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 10-09-2016 at 06:56 AM.
Yeah, because Mumen rider could have totally ripped that guys eyes out along with his innards. Saitama got faster and tougher, but he's always been OP. He didn't even need to punch Crab. That's how all non-boss villains have been portrayed in this story. Nothing lasts more than one attack.
He thinks he was a normal guy who got to where he is now with training. That is not the case.
To talk about his tie not breaking is like talking about his gloves never breaking from his own punches. Can't be that strong, right?
One Punch Man has always been one punch man. I daresay he's also one kick man. Or one pull-your-eye-out-with-his-tie man. It's just a cooler way of saying One Attach Man.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I disagree. Saitama was normal, albeit heroic and fit, when he had hair. He certainly can't jump to the moon.
I'm not stating anything about how he got stronger.
Peace.
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