I wouldn't say best way, as I felt he was quite dismissive, but I agree in the context that he did flat out turn her down instead of stringing her along and what not.Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I wouldn't say best way, as I felt he was quite dismissive, but I agree in the context that he did flat out turn her down instead of stringing her along and what not.
Not really. My intention with this idiom is just saying I'm disagreeing with the apparent majority from the first few reactions. Perhaps not quite the best usage.It's like you don't want to but have no other choice but to agree with me
I doubt she's Satella when Rem can see witch aura. If she was used to it she wouldn't be killing Subaru over it.Emilia could really be Satela, as it's the first name she presented herself in the first ep.
Then Subaru died and the setting changed.
But Subaru and we remember.
Puck said "You've got bad taste" when Emilia introduced herself as Satella. She cheekily used it to fool around with Subaru.
It would also seem very very odd for the Witch Cult to kill the witch.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Thatīs why Satella/Emilia makes use of her "candidates". She transfers her witch powers over to somebody who she infatuates with herself, so that this candidate or rather servant then does exactly what she wanted him to do: Do everything he can to make he wish come true.
Since sheīs a witch, thereīs probably a fail safe buil-in, too.
And Betelgeuse shows us what a failed candidate looks like.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Hi, I'm Satella. I'm a witch, and I made this NEET my candidate. I make sure he's obsessed with me and does whatever I want.
When I tell him to stay put, he crashes my royal party. When I tell him to go away, he claws his way back to my house.
That's why I sent my own cultists to kill me. That way, I get to see if my candidate will save me. If he can't, I die and we reset.
If he tries to tell anyone my secret, I use him to kill myself.
I'm also with this guy called Puck, who will destroy the world if I die. Not that it matters. It'll get reset anyway.
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Yeah.. I don't get it either.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think Betelgeuse is something like an anomaly. Heīs not part of Satellaīs/Emiliaīs plan.
As for the neet-thing: This anime has made it a point to show how pathetic otaku/neets are. The past couple of episode havenīt just been Subaru being pathetic, they really put it on the nose that his patheticness stemmed from him being an otaku. If we assume that that is a central theme of this show, then I can also see it being important to the election process of Satellaīs. Something along the lines of:
"After decades of studying, Iīve found that there is one kind of human that is easier influencable than anybody else. That kind is called 'otaku' or 'hikkikomori', and they are prone to becoming a girlīs servant, as long as she is cute of appearance. Instead of convincing capable fighters to aide me in my mission to lead this country, it proved to be much less of a hassle to simply pick one of these desperate husks of a human being. It hasnīt quite worked out yet, but Iīm using the past experience and act differently accordingly. With you, Subaru, I think Iīve finally found the perfect candidate."
" ... what ... are you saying ... EMILIA?!"
"Now die and keep trying your best to put me on the throne."
Anime ends.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
NEET does not equal otaku. I'm an anime otaku but I have a job.
Peace.
Why would they "recruit/seduce" someone so unstable/unreliable if it were a rational universe?
Zealots are useful, as fodder cannon, but when you want a sensible job done you purchase profesionals. Being Praetorians, Hassassins, Berserker Vikings, Varangians, Ninjas, Phantasms, Thirds... Even a fake world should also be aware that Steel wins battles. Gold wins wars.
Dont try to rationalize what is nothing more than just the choice pick for the target audience to relate to. I doubt the writers goal is to show how pathetic his target consumers are.
The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom
I absolutely believe so. It also doesnīt necessarily have to end on a "otaku are pathetic" note. It could very well be that we were shown super pathetic otaku subaru, only so otaku can feel better about themselves when now Subaru starts his counter move and actually "wins".
@shinta: In terms of societal value, otaku, neet, hikkikomori are basically the same. Theyīre not the same once you bother looking at definitions, yeah.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
That's not true. Otaku are clearly different from NEETs. Otaku are often rich, for example. They buy hordes of idol CDs and anime figures, after all. I'm pretty sure most girls would prefer men with jobs, whatever their hobby was, than those without one. Otaku also make gigantic industries run, like anime and gaming ones. If you wanna be technical about it, otakus are more like geeks. Some are focused on trains, military, or whatever. All that matters is an abnormal obsession with something.
NEETs are just losers.
If Subaru was an otaku, for example, he wouldn't have considered his time on earth "doing nothing." He might have a job, a hobby he enjoys, and even activities that might better the world somehow. Being a NEET, all we got were flashbacks of him buying from a convenience store LOL.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 08-03-2016 at 08:10 AM.
Peace.
That was super lol. "Buying stuff at convenience store" = Neet. rofl.
I know that differences between otaku and neet, shinta, like i wrote. But when it comes to how society view them, it doesnt matter if youre a neet or anime otaku. both are losers.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
That's my point. That statement simply isn't true. While there are bigots everywhere, society isn't one mass of bigotry. There are many people who don't consider otaku as losers, such as fellow fans and otaku, to mention a few. NEETs are actual losers.
Peace.
Disagree. There isnīt one definition for "loser" in that context. An anime otaku who finds 3d girls disusting and buys figurines and only talks about anime is as much a loser to our broader society as is a neet who keeps himself locked up at home, playing games or whatever. Calling out one of the two as the "real loser" reeks of making the other kind feel about themselves.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The thing is, they are intrinsically different. NEETs aren't contributing anything to society. In fact, they leech off other people, like relatives or friends. (I know this because I currently semi-support a NEET friend, and I spent thousands of dollars supporting a cousin 11 years older than I am years ago). That's the basis of them being losers. Not how they look or what they like to do. Otaku, by definition, has no relationship with productivity.
As for how other people treat otaku, I think that's dependent on the person. I'm an open otaku, even to other people who don't watch anime or play games at all. I've never been treated as a loser in any way, mainly because I don't act or look like one. Boxing otaku as people who buy figures, can only talk about anime, have the communication skills of a gnat, and find 3d girls disgusting is stereotyping.
I'm sure there are jackasses that would judge you the moment you say you love anime or games, but that's not the whole world. On the other hand, being a NEET with no systemic or health reasons for being one is something actually worth being judged for.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 08-03-2016 at 10:18 AM.
Peace.
Mhm ....
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I meant don't look or act like a loser, not an otaku. You misinterpreted that. My point was that otaku don't have a set of actions that they do.
As for what looking or acting like a loser is, that depends on the person, I guess. I for one think that people who say creepy things to me, especially things that ignore basic decency, are losers.
There was also this one time when someone asked me out for lunch, and I politely declined because I didn't want to go. This person then decided to stand behind me while I sat at my desk at work for 5 minutes, hoping that I'll change my mind. Totally creeped out, I just ignored that person and focused on my screen. I think that person was a loser.
Oh, and to keep things on topic somewhat, the way Subaru behaved in the last few episodes was worthy of being called a loser (compared to how he was in the Rem arc).
Most of all, I think people who leech off others are losers.
As for looks, wearing a haircut like Donald Trump is worthy of being called a loser to me.
It's all subjective and relative, it seems. I think they key criteria for me is acting in a way that negatively affects others. And yes, Donald Trump's hair negatively affects my mood lol.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Wed, 08-03-2016 at 10:54 AM.
Peace.
Are NEETs actually losers? Sometimes when I woke up at 6 am and get back home at 8 pm, to get money to pay taxes for that money (basically the sum of direct an indirect is +70%), I have serious doubts of who or what is being a loser.
Im becoming more anarchist by each passing day and I think that best way to f.. the system is not contributing to it and sucking as much as posible until it implodes in the great national crony socialism the world its turning itself into.
That said a NEET is the last person I would hire to fulfill my criminal mastermind witch-bitch plan.
The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom
Well, unless they are being fed, clothed, and housed by someone, NEETs are gonna be dirt poor. They can't afford anything, even decent food. That sounds like a loser to me.
If they are leeching off someone, they are still losers but for a different reason. Degenerates like that deserve being called a loser perfectly. If you think your pride is fine with doing something like this, by all means.
Me, I'd rather steal (from the rich) or sell weed than leech off people.
Out of topic, but damn your working life sounds harsh. I wake up at 8:15, get to work by 9am, leave at 4pm without doing any real work, then get home at 4:20. No traffic, no hassle. Pay is pretty good too.
Peace.
I would rather patreon a NEET for 50% of my income instead of paying taxes. Leeching takes many forms and NEETs arent the worst of them. Not by a long shot.
Also most of the semi-NEETs I know are probably the most efficient ppl I have met. Austerity and perfect management of scarce resources. They cant fall in debt and their ecological impact is way lower than the "useful" flock. Fuck I would rather have NEETs instead of public servitors. Both contribute almost 0 but at least NEETs dont waste resources just for the sake of budget.
The more I think of it the more I like the NEETs. Damn. This world is messed up.
Last edited by Edort4; Wed, 08-03-2016 at 03:25 PM.
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