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    What a retard, this is why twitter shouldn't exist and the world was better off when it didn't suffer from that plague.

    This is attention whoring... nothing more.

    The author is female, it's clearly not written as a critique - so where is the problem.

    Also, the story is about a dude who is completely reliant on the woman to survive since he can't do *anything* alone - so what the fuck?
    Would love their thoughts on that (actually not, but you know...).
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    To address shinta's question:

    I continue to find it fascinating that ANN (where Zac works) is run by so many people that on the surface, appear to absolutely despise everything about anime. Most of them used to like it, and watching their descents over the last decade or so has been enlightening.

    My conclusions have been thus:
    1) If your livelihood depends on getting paid for your hobby, you will eventually grow to hate your hobby.
    2) If you are male, live in an English-speaking country, and refer to yourself as a feminist (as he does), you are actually a misogynist.
    a) Male feminists ultimately act as if women are incapable of improving their own situations. Because they're "helping." Or brazenly white knighting all over the place.
    b) Women don't need help (at least in the US, UK, or Canada).
    c) Women must be incapable of helping themselves if they require such assistance.
    d) The correct solution, is to shut the fuck up and listen to women when they complain about it. Or make sure that they're getting credit for the things that they do. And stop mansplaining to them (I'm working on that one myself...because explaining everything to everyone is a hard habit to break).
    3) They don't even watch, read, or even research the shit they're bitching about. They get told by twitter what to lose their shit about now.
    a) A number of years ago, Zac actually used to do this on purpose. He'd write a parody review of the first episode in their preview, clearly without having watched a translated version, on mute, or by skimming it. And it was an obvious parody. Then he turned into a parody of that character, without a shred of irony.
    b) The rest of the staff followed suit, becoming outraged before they had ever seen the subject of their outrage.
    c) Bans were handed out to people who attempted to correct them or provide context, and eventually anyone who disagreed.


    Now...the Shield Hero web novel is hot garbage. It's awful. The light novel and manga are both okay, but they are showing the same degeneration of plot. The author had an idea (plot holes notwithstanding), ran through it, and had no fucking clue what to do with it next. But it isn't sexist. It isn't a "misogynist revenge fantasy," it is a regular revenge fantasy. There's plenty of those in shoujo, josei, and shonen, and nobody gives a shit.

    Everyone flew off their fucking rockers because this revenge fantasy is caused by a false rape charge. Which makes me believe that the squawkers are subconsciously (or quite consciously) very, very worried about the credibility of #BelieveAllWomen.

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    I'm a male feminist ...

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    I think Ryll is referring to more extreme forms of feminism, while Buff is more of a moderate.

    I'd like to think of myself as supportive of women's right to true equality, but I don't wanna label myself a feminist. It's too loaded.
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    Yes, the vocal feminists and "feminists."

    Just treat everyone the same, unless you're noticing some bullshit. Call that out, but as bullshit. Not as sexism because the target of it was a woman. Do it for everyone, because it is bullshit.

    I actively hepeat my women coworkers, but always start it with "Like ____ said...." They know I'm doing it because I mentioned the term when I found out about it, and told them I'd do it for them. They happily agreed, and all think it is hilarious because of how obvious the sexism of it all ends up looking.

    I repeat anyone who gets ignored in meetings, because I'm loud, and I always give them the credit when I do it. But the women think it is hilarious.

    Women are more than capable of defending themselves. Some passively, some actively. They don't need the help unless they ask for it.

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    I think my biggest gripe about this whole thing is about how all these overly sensitive reactions hide actual problems because it's hard to spot a specific tree in a forest, even if its roots are far deeper.

    Since this thread is also about morality and not just rape, I wanted to ask how does everyone feel about the recent censorship Sony is doing on their console games?
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    Sony doing to themselves, or what localization companies have been doing to the US and Europe forever?

    I hadn't heard about the former, but sanitizing Japanese games has been going on since the 90s, but is really out of control now with Western translators actually being proud of mistranslating games in order to make them meet their particular worldview instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Since this thread is also about morality and not just rape, I wanted to ask how does everyone feel about the recent censorship Sony is doing on their console games?
    I'm almost always against all forms of censorship. Games should just have age restrictions and they should be enforced well enough. Of course it doesn't help that in the USA, the giant source and market of the entertainment business, it's perfectly okay to show 100 people brutally murdered, but if a dick is shown on screen, it's very troublesome. No doubt many games are only censored so that they could be sold to a larger market. Pure businessmen make all the decisions in an increasing number of game studios and publishers. They couldn't care less about the game contents or the efforts of the game developers, as long as they can imagine selling as much as possible (which often fails).

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    By feminist, I mean it in the true sense of the word: equal rights. Which is like... basic human decency. It sucks that the term makes people think you support females rather than supporting equality, but that's what I'm going for.

    I actually don't do anything much in daily life to "advocate" for feminism. That's not required.


    edit re Sony: go Nintendo.
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    Oh by censorship, I didn't mean westernization. I meant Japanese games themselves are now being censored on Sony consoles. Some say it's due to Sony's HQ being moved to California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    By feminist, I mean it in the true sense of the word: equal rights. Which is like... basic human decency. It sucks that the term makes people think you support females rather than supporting equality, but that's what I'm going for.

    I actually don't do anything much in daily life to "advocate" for feminism. That's not required.
    That makes you are normal person, not a feminist. A feminist is someone who works for the goal of bettering the women's equality or researches the status of women in history or our times, in any relevant field whatsoever, be it business, politics, art, science, etc. The former is not only direct political/societal work but for example there can be feminist movie directors/producers or book authors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    That makes you a decent person, not a feminist.
    Fixed.

    Normal people are overrated.
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    https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/pre...d-hero/.141699

    Reviews that predictably talk a lot about the "controversy."
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    seriously, they should have just coded the hero as being from a marginilezed group (black for americans, korean for japanese... etc) and the story would be much clearer, with him being both an lower class person in our world and in theirs, which would also negate a bit the false rape accusation by having it mirror anti-minority propoganda.

    well, It's intersting to see how this trend will play out. it made me click, so they probably already won.

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    My personal opinion is the show isn't trying to advocate anything or oppress anyone. The story just used that because a lot of Japanese males would relate to women treating them like trash or tricking them for money, making the target audience hate the girl as much as Naofumi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    That makes you are normal person, not a feminist. A feminist is someone who works for the goal of bettering the women's equality or researches the status of women in history or our times, in any relevant field whatsoever, be it business, politics, art, science, etc. The former is not only direct political/societal work but for example there can be feminist movie directors/producers or book authors.
    That would make you an activists. I don't think you have to actually do anything to believe rights should be equal between sexes.

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    Being a feminist is supporting feminism. If the definition of support is believing in the right thing and doing nothing wrong, then no political movement would succeed. Supporting a cause means actively doing something for it because you have to change the current reality.

    For example, I believe we should protect the environment and stop destroying it. That said, I don't do anything actively to do that. I segregate and recycle, and also try my best to reduce waste, but that's expected of everyone especially if you live in a country that makes that a norm. I don't think or call myself an environmentalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    That would make you an activists. I don't think you have to actually do anything to believe rights should be equal between sexes.
    There's a different word for that. Egalitarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta
    I segregate and recycle, and also try my best to reduce waste, but that's expected of everyone especially if you live in a country that makes that a norm.
    That just seems weird.

    Feminism was a term from before the 21st century, when women did not have the same rights as men. People who believed women should have the same rights as men would have been seeing inequality all over the place, and act in a way themselves in support of gender equality.

    For example, "I would not discriminate between males and females when I hire."

    Just because equality has moved forward now to the point where gender equality (read: feminism) has largely been achieved doesn't change this.

    You don't have to be "more feminist" than general society to be a feminist. Ryll's link has very correctly stated that "It is generally accepted by egalitarians that feminism falls under egalitarianism and that some feminists identify themselves as egalitarian which under the broadly understood definition of the word is equality for both men and women"

    Egalitarianism = equality in regards to all aspects.
    Feminism is Gender Egalitarianism.

    Gender equality (feminism) has an endpoint = namely when genders have equal rights and treatment. You don't have to "support gender equality than the common public" to be a feminist. You just have to support it, period. And if the society you live in is already in support of this in a way that means you don't have to do anything - great. The goalpost doesn't move.





    Being an environmentalist is different in that many would argue that our way of living doesn’t achieve our environmental goals. The way the general population consumes meat products or uses motor vehicles are far from ideal for the environment. The term “environmentally friendly” is used as a relative term because we have not yet achieved near-zero-environmental-impact, so you can only be “more” friendly towards the environment compared to the next guy.

    If society advanced to a stage where our way of life has close to zero environmental impact (and I live in such a way), then I’m environmentally friendly in the absolute sense. The fact that other people do this doesn’t change your near-zero-environmental-impact way of life.
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    Feminism doesn't have an endpoint. Even if perfect gender equality was achieved, proper feminism could still study the life and history of the female portion of the population. Not to mention many modern feminists aren't interested in equality but rather reforming the world to their liking. After all, much of our society and culture was designed back when women had mostly unofficial power, that is, by men, and those modern feminists hate it.

    "Feminism is Gender Egalitarianism" <- Incorrect.

    Much of feminism is gender egalitarianism, but not nearly all of it.

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