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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    The two bold lines are incompatible with each other - either you don't or you do wish to see certain crimes punished.

    If you are against the death penalty (in any time-line), then you are against the killing of criminals even if they rape your daughter.
    It's not incompatible.

    The latter means 'in the context of the existing law system'. The former bolded line refers to my personal actions: I would kill that criminal myself. Ofc, seeing him/her executed by law enforcement would be a nice surprise.

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    So you believe that some criminals should die for their crimes, but the law shouldn't enforce it?

    If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~

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    Only criminals who victimized him because emotions would trump his morals, similar to crimes of passion.
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    late 2 cents warning:

    I'm glad for how this played out. Queen didn't have to kill her own family, and Naofumi essentially got to choose their punishment, which was perfect closure for his tribulations. They may have essentially wanted to, but they didn't kill him, so the eye-for-an-eye thing doesn't really apply a death sentence anyway, and Naofumi realized that he wouldn't be placated by it any more than his name being cleared already has improved his position.

    I won't say it was a net positive thing, because I can't calculate it, but Naofumi's efforts in evading people, establishing his own funding (merchant work), and generally opposing the nobility (and other heroes) led to a many people's lives being improved, so it could be argued some good came from the initial injustice he suffered, accidentally or not. You could argue that that ever so slightly tipped the scales in favor of mercy, if you were so inclined.

    Funny, looking at penalties, a wealthy monarch has so much more to lose than a peasant. If you're poor, your life is the only thing you have to lose, and that is of debatable value, depending on who you ask, but money and power are pretty concrete constructs that, when stripped away, make for a compelling punishment. King gets to work for a living now, princess has been called a pathological liar by her mother, the queen, in public, and renounced by her spear hero. Positively speaking, maybe the remainder of their lives can be spent making their world a better place where they can, instead of providing nourishment to grass in a graveyard. Without their titles, neither are overtly dangerous or incapable of contributing to society.

    At this point, I actually pity them for being blinded by hatred more than I am upset by their deeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    So you believe that some criminals should die for their crimes, but the law shouldn't enforce it?
    What shinta said. Actually, what I said, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    What shinta said. Actually, what I said, too.
    Shinta did suggest something on the previous page, but I didn't know if it reflected your thoughts or not. (especially because it suggested that you're saying you'll kill out of impulsiveness or emotional irrationality even though you know that it goes beyond justice).

    So in other words, you don't believe the criminal should die, but you predict that in your rage you would kill him, even though you know (right now) that it is unjust and undeserved. I'm not sure it's entirely emotional for you at this point really. You go as far as mentioning "seeing him/her executed by law enforcement would be a nice surprise."

    It's as if I'm saying "I don't believe in robbery, but if I see someone flaunting a million bucks down the road, I'm totally mugging him."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Shinta did suggest something on the previous page, but I didn't know if it reflected your thoughts or not. (especially because it suggested that you're saying you'll kill out of impulsiveness or emotional irrationality even though you know that it goes beyond justice).

    So in other words, you don't believe the criminal should die, but you predict that in your rage you would kill him, even though you know (right now) that it is unjust and undeserved. I'm not sure it's entirely emotional for you at this point really. You go as far as mentioning "seeing him/her executed by law enforcement would be a nice surprise."

    It's as if I'm saying "I don't believe in robbery, but if I see someone flaunting a million bucks down the road, I'm totally mugging him."
    Kinda. When I'm personally involved, my perception of what is just changes. Only for my individual will it then be just to kill the criminal. I'd still expect the law system to prevent me from killing someone, though, because objectively killing the criminal would be unjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli
    Kinda. When I'm personally involved, my perception of what is just changes. Only for my individual will it then be just to kill the criminal.
    Heh. So it's a double standard, really.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli
    I'd still expect the law system to prevent me from killing someone, though, because objectively killing the criminal would be unjust.
    Except the law wouldn't prevent you from killing them.

    1) It'd deter you with consequences, but you say you'd kill them anyway so that's not working.
    2) Law enforcement would attempt to prevent you if they knew, by force or even killing you prior.

    If you really wanted to kill someone though, you'd just end up doing it. It wouldn't prevent you.

    All that'd happen afterwards is that you get apprehended (either voluntarily or involuntarily), and the family/friends of the dead dude can decide on whether to uphold social justice or personal justice like you just enacted.

    If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~

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    It absolutely is a double standard. Although an uncontrollable, emotional ome, and not one I consciously choose to follow.

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    Episode 22


    Let's not just let her run around freely, no, also give her a job inside the royal castle!

    Has Melty not witnessed her, then WHAT?

    This anime has turned complete trash since last week :/
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    That episode was pretty cool, Naofumi got a lot of new stuff, new mechanics to explore and I'm smelling new Party Members too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    That episode was pretty cool, Naofumi got a lot of new stuff, new mechanics to explore and I'm smelling new Party Members too.
    Must be nice being able to watch anime with your brain shut off *jealous*

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    It's really easy to ignore a minor thing like that which has had absolutely no impact on what has happened in this episode.

    If you get triggered by that, there is not a single show or movie you could possibly enjoy. Whether it's anime or not.

    I'm for example not going into John Wick 3 and start to complain about the nonsensical plot and other bullshit such as the "walk into the desert John!"-part and say "this movie is unenjoyable and trash/shit!". The movie is still a great action-movie and the series has the best combat scenes and choreographies the movie world has to offer right now.

    So why would you go that way and ruin your own fun.
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    How is it minor?

    THE villain of the show works in the royal kitchen and would have successfully poisoned Naofumi if it wasn't for coincidence.


    Seriously ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    How is it minor?

    THE villain of the show works in the royal kitchen and would have successfully poisoned Naofumi if it wasn't for coincidence.


    Seriously ...
    And how did that scene, which had absolutely no impact on this episode and could've been completely left out, "ruin" the other 23 minutes.
    Like I said... "Walk into the desert John! You might meet him, you might not!"

    That scene with her trying to poison food was so bad, I couldn't help but ignore it's insignificance, like everyone does for similar situations in every show/movie ever made.
    Never said it ain't shit - but it's one shitty part about an episode that was otherwise interesting (for me) to watch.


    To sum up the goods part:

    It had class-level ups
    teasing an XP dungeon/island which might unlock new skills
    Cute Filo moments
    Funny/weird Queen moments
    Raph protecting Naofumi's honor
    Information about how the weapons work
    New gear and more stats for Naofumi
    New means of traveling/crafting
    New companions (probably)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    And how did that scene, which had absolutely no impact on this episode
    That's what makes it worse! it had no impact, but it *could have* had crucial impact!

    That's just ... super bad, and I can't take the other 23 minutes seriously. Not that the out-of-place reaction of the Queen to fitoria helped, ugh ...

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    I find their love towards the ultimate birb charming.
    The great companion birb Filo is what keeps this show alive for me - just seeing her trotting through town in the beginning of this episode was glorious.

    And as I mentioned before, if you can't judge the other 23 minutes "fairly" because of one scene, you'll probably never enjoy a movie or show in your life.
    The rest was certainly not trash, whether you could enjoy them even without what has happened during the party is another question though.
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    The show's been kinda bad for a while now.

    What keeps me entertained every now and again would be:
    -Raphtalia moments (mostly earlier in the series)
    -Filo moments.
    -Occasionally the queen.

    If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~

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    Shield hero is certainly in maintenance mode now, without me questioning if I'll finish the last few episodes, but it certainly could have been more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    How is it minor?

    THE villain of the show works in the royal kitchen and would have successfully poisoned Naofumi if it wasn't for coincidence.


    Seriously ...
    Does she work in the kitchen? Would she even have any skills needed there? I doubt she could even wash dishes successfully. I reckon she had the drunken soldier start trouble to cause a diversion, sneaked into the kitchen when she thought nobody was paying attention, and then tried to poison the food. However, Melty does keep an eye on nasty bitches sneaking around, so the plot was foiled.

    It's too bad the queen is so soft she allows Bitch to remain within the castle grounds.

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