The human side of the story is just the absolute most generic cliche fantasy isekai crap that I have seen in literally dozens of other shows. Only without a single fun or entertaining character.Originally Posted by neflight86
All of the personality and innovation this series has is in the spider end.
Disagree. They're interesting together and the time split between them makes it much more interesting than either part solo.
Kumoko's perspective is very limited. She knows about the administrators (on the human side, only Oka, Shun, and Hugo do as far as we know), she knows that the world is going to end because her Taboo maxed out, but she's supremely ignorant of the world outside of the three layers of the Labyrinth.
The human side gives the audience perspective.
Kumoko is big picture endgame. Shun, allies, and demon side are big picture world-building.
Further, we know where the story is now, so it ramps up the anticipation for how Kumoko gets there, whether or not she's actually alive 15 years later, and where she will slot back into this future state when she does.
Unless this is literally your first isekai, it doesn't give you shit. Because there is nothing new or unique going on in that half of the story.
Yes, and the world it's building is "100% generic isekai fantasy world".
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Great episode! Almost zero humans!
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I dunno if I said this before, but it seems even more likely now. If the Demon Lord isn't Kumoko, it might just be her mother.
Now that's she's shown to be intelligent and no longer stuck in the labyrinth. Plus we know from the chart that a Queen Taratect can also evolve into an Arachne.
Can queens evolve into arachne? The chart seems to suggest otherwise:2021-04-23T14_03_38.png
Peace.
Or maybe the spider demon lord is "a" Kumoko? with how independent her 3 minds have been acting this episode, I started thinking that they might get corrupted and then somewhow be inserted into one of the archs, who thn evolve and ...
there were lots of convenient scenes this episode, though. the puppet not attacking while Kumoko was fighting the arcs, but then suddenly after all deciding to act was contrieved.
But otherwise great episode, and yes, almost no humans <3
Favorite scene: When Kumoko was severly wounded, hopped to the ceiling and started laughing before starting her attack. Like she had any business laughing like that in her position, lol, but it was adorable.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The Kumoko central episodes have started to get repetitive and boring.
Until the end of the episode, she was equal on the tree to an Arch Teratect, but she isn't particularly struggling against even six of them and a unique type of spider underling. We basically know she isn't going to lose. The Queen was at least a very real threat to her, explaining why she got injured so badly. But nothing else really is anymore. The puppet spider was the only thing holding Kumoko back from repeating with her lava roast, and even with that complication she still did it anyway.
Now she's evolving and will be even stronger. The puppets and Mother are her only actual impediments at this point, and Mother is only a matter of time until her parallel minds either kill her, or weaken her to the point that real world Kumoko can finish her off.
It's boring and predictable right now. It almost looked like it was going to go somewhere interesting as she got on human land while her minds slowly ate at Mother, but I guess we're stuck with this dull loop for a while.
If anything, there's the potential that the puppet spiders are closer related to the Demon Lord. Super tiny spiders, not on the same tree as Kumoko and Mother or the rest of the Teratects, and use the same extremely advanced and powerful thread manipulation that we saw the Demon Lord use.I dunno if I said this before, but it seems even more likely now. If the Demon Lord isn't Kumoko, it might just be her mother.
Now that's she's shown to be intelligent and no longer stuck in the labyrinth. Plus we know from the chart that a Queen Taratect can also evolve into an Arachne.
Can't happen according to the tree Kumoko has seen. The Arch and Queen are the end of one evolution. The Great Poison is another dead end. Ortho Kadinart would have been another dead end as well.
Only Kumoko has acquired whatever steps she needs to make the jump to a humanoid form.
And I think the human central episodes are and always have been repetitive and boring. So I guess we'll just have to agree that you're wrong.
Well yeah, but, again, that's the fault of the human thread.
When half the story takes place 15 years in the futures, there's isn't much fear of consequences or sense of stakes in the part of the story that takes place in the past.
Do we know you can't go backwards if you wanted?
Like, if she wanted to, could the Queen could revert to an Ede Saine to progress along another path?
Not to mention, we now know there's evolutions that aren't on the chart. So there could be places for the Queen to go that we can't see.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Fri, 04-23-2021 at 04:22 PM.
It's quite funny the intelligence oriented parellel minds are much smarter than the original Kumoko. They were getting majorly bothered by the queen seemingly doing nothing while her mind was being slowly eroded, yet the original Kumoko was just heedlessly wandering around looking for sweet fruits, not even noticing the bloody kilometers high pillar of magic energy shooting into the sky behind her.
Kumoko did note they haven't got much coordination between them. At that point it seemed likely the primary concern for the enemy was to prevent Kumoko from either teleporting or simply running to the middle layer. If the puppet had attacked more actively by jumping into the mix, I'd say there would have been a higher risk of Kumoko slipping past it to the middle layer. By staying back more and concentrating on observing, it could guard the entrance effectively. It's true it lessened the chances of actually killing Kumoko swiftly, but nonetheless, there was certain wisdom in its actions. The fact it did attack when Kumoko was rendered immobile seems to support my theory.
No, it's because she's the lead. The fact that there's a future arc doesn't come into play. Especially since we have no confirmation, only suspicion, that she actually makes it to that timeline.
I can think of maybe a handful of fantasy, modern fantasy, or isekai series where you can't actually be sure any of the leads will survive, and can think of maybe two where they actually bothered to go through with it.
When the consequences are death, there's no tension in a series like this. It's why Death Parade actually had tension. You knew it was somebody destined to lose...just not which. This and Sword Art Online's first arc are the same. You know the lead won't die. The same reason that people like me can't get into Re:Zero. As much as people claim, "But he says he doesn't know if he'll come back the next time!"...of course he will.
It becomes increasingly repetitive that they play the idea that Kumoko will die.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Fri, 04-23-2021 at 06:46 PM.
This series certainly goes out of its way to set up ever bigger obstacles for Kumoko to face.
I was confused that the insurgent brains stopped eating mother's mind once they found out that she had cut them off from communication. That didn't change their job, did it?
That nitpick aside, mother is a more compelling villain than Kumoko has had so far with smarts and stats outclassing her own. Yes, there is little tension as we know she'll pull through, but there can certainly be some spectacle and flair in her struggle. The fight this episode seemed somehow better paced than before, with easier to follow tactics and no clear win condition (my preferred way to stage a fight). It also helped that I liked the itsy-bitsy spider puppet. One of the better spider only episodes, in my opinion.
No, it didn't. It just meant they should have eaten her more quickly.That didn't change their job, did it?
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
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Okay, she's definitely not the Demon Lord.
I'd say the immortality undercuts the sense of stakes, but since we're pretty sure she's alive 15 years from now there already weren't stakes.
This also means that when Shun's brother killed the white spider, she probably DID actually die, but it doesn't matter, cause she's immortal(which, I assume means she regenerates, because it clearly doesn't make her invincible).
The white spider looked like a less evolved version than what she's currently now - so whatever it was (I doubt it's Kumoko), it wasn't an immortal spider.
And yeah, with what we're shown here, looks like Demon Lord is someone else.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I have to ask...do you manually change my name to DEX when you quote me?
- immortal as a skill is total bs, lol.
- Fei is now fuckable, doujin-artists rejoice
- finally, the spider demon lord appears!
Wow, that's so weird, lol.I have to ask...do you manually change my name to DEX when you quote me?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Immortality is actually nice. Now they don't have to fake the tension with Kumoko surviving.
My bigger question, one that D's explanation basically laid out this episode, begging to be asked: "Who the hell was Kumoko?"
- Kumoko is the only student with a status screen shown so far that reincarnated without her old name listed.
- Wakaba Hiiro is the only girl who is dead (the other three Oka mentioned were boys names), even 15 years later.
- D stated unequivocally that she was in the classroom, and didn't reincarnate herself.
Have we not been shown who D was, or were none of the POV characters where friends with her, or is that D was the quiet and bullied Wakaba Hiiro that Fei wanted to apologize so badly to?
The non-humans are:
- Sofia (who seems really happy)
- Oka
- Fei (she took it as a punishment until now)
- Kumoko (generally viewed it as a punishment, though D heavily implies she likes Kumoko a lot)
The alternative is that Kumoko is Wakaba Hiiro, and later died, but Immortality makes that...unlikely. The personality kind of doesn't match, for D or Kumoko.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Fri, 04-30-2021 at 03:20 PM. Reason: shuffled some sentences
The class's pet hampster?
Rofl.
Maybe she was a boy like Katia, but that wouldn't track either, since her self image is a cute fanged girl. If we didn't already know Sofia was the gloomy fanged girl, Kumoko would be the leading candidate.
Huh?
Wakaba being dead is just Oka's assumption (who is human. Not sure why you'd say she isn't. Just because she got elf ears? Elves are humanoinds). Kumoko is Wakaba, I thought that had been established from episode 1?!
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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