But what makes him a "shit person"?
But what makes him a "shit person"?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
We'll see what direction they go with the anime, we haven't see much indication of it yet... other than being a perv, which isn't much to go on.Originally Posted by MFauli
Well the part with porn is easy.
He's pumping to porn while his parents' wake is happening. The fact that he won't step outside is one thing, the fact that he doesn't mourn for them and indulges in pleasure is another. This assumes that he knew they died. Realistically speaking, he should have known. No one's going to keep him out of the loop when your housemates/parents die.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It's worth noting that Japan is internationally notorious for having incredibly bad, or essentially non-existent, mental health care for a G-7 nation. Their government has gotten so embarrassed about it that they're finally working to fix it.
There's a reason I said it reminded me of Scrapped Princess and Maouyuu. Those are both full of flawed people.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Mon, 01-18-2021 at 03:26 PM.
False.
The reason mental healthcare isn't a focus in Japan is because practically no Japanese person gets mentally ill.
/s
Peace.
Just like every criminal is so ridden with guilt they willingly confess their crimes and their prosecutors have a 99.9% conviction rate.
*me after watching episode 2*
"This is great."
every single aspect and scene, even the ecchi stuff had meaning.
Anime of the year of all years - so far - and if it keeps up like this it's truely going to be.
Why does that make him a bad person? You realize that not all pareny-child relationships are good ones? That a lot of children rightfully hate their parents?
I still don't see what makes him a 'shit person', other than shallowy judging his appearance.
He's obviously not a complete dogshit character (he rescued high school kids from death apparently). But not attending his parents funeral and watching porn instead does make him a shitty person in that moment.
Which is the only thing we can take from that.
The parents saying 'ganbatte' doesnt tell us anything. Maybe (likely) his parents were completely negligent of his hardships at school or actively ignored it, and just kept up a happy facade because it was the least conspicuous choice for them.
And if he had such a distant, broken relationship with them, why would he go the funeral?
I still don't see what makes him a shit person or a scumbag. He's a loser, but not (entirely?) by his own fault. Even when he saw Roxy masturbating, it happened by accident. The other time he tried to spy on her room, she noticed and told him she's gonna hit him next time and it was a fun scene.
You see, I realize that quite some people call him a shit person. But I have the strong assumption that it's mostly because he's ugly. Seeing such shallow hate come from self-proclaime 'progressive' communities is really frustrating and unjust.
What Kray said. It's the funeral thing. Everything else was incidental. But that act paints a pretty vile picture.
And also, maybe they were actually Gundams!
Or maybe his parents were exactly the way they were presented, and as usual you're just looking for reasons to justify characters being shitty.
I mean, at this point, you know what the issue is. You've admitted it.
You see yourself in these characters, so anytime they point out when they're being shitty, you feel like you have to excuse and justify it, because otherwise, you'd have to admit to yourself that you might actually be shitty.
And it's always just the "SJW progressives whining again!" And it never occurs to you that maybe the behavior is actually wrong. Because that would make you wrong.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 01-19-2021 at 01:37 AM.
When your parents reaction to you being stripped naked and shamed by a group of people is "gambatte", it's the parents' fault.
Peace.
I got the impression that the "gambatte" scene happened much later than the school bullying. Like he'd been a shutin for years at that point.
He was 34 when he died, so that shit happened, like 15-20 years ago at that point.
And his parents gave a shit about what happened to him.
Sorry, but calling him a shit person just based on him not attending a funeral only shows how sheltered you grew up. Again, pareny-child relationships aren't always good, they're often really shitty even. If my relationship to my dad got any worse than it is, I might do the same, just fyi. Doesnt make me a ahit person. Just tells you that my dad would have been a shit dad.
I don't understand why we don't take the scenes for how they are portrayed.
We don't know what the parents did.
We know that the parents tried something (the scene when they tried to talk with him), we know that they fed him and bought him games and toys and all he needed. We know that he didn't want to talk about it.
They went along with it for ~15+ years.
When his younger brother(?) came to his room after the funeral, it was actually *MC* who attacked first, obviouly he himself knew what was going on and why they are here, but honestly? The fact that he attacked first in conjunction with the scene where he bumped the wall with his fist real hard made me think that this is how he acted around when his parents tried to do something too. You know, as if he'd funnel his anger towards the wrong person in a heartbeat if he could make himself feel less bad in this situation.
He watched porn instead of having the decency to go to the funeral of his father who took care of him for 34 years.
Even if they failed to handle this situation correctly, we can't say anything about them being "bad" parents, only the opposite.
Ifs and buts go both ways. What IF they actually did something. What IF they were actually nice. What IF they actually went to the police but they didn't do anything. What IF they contacted the school but they didn't do anything. What IF they tried to talk him into going to a different school but his anxiety kept him from going out.
We saw him being a shitty person. That's just it. And we are actually supposed to believe that - which is why we actually believe it.
The more subtle things start to tell us that he actually *isn't* or that he has redeeming qualities.
The more subtle things also show us that he himself knows that he did things wrong in his previous life and that there are regrets.
And at the same time, that doesn't turn the parents into the bad guys. Rofl.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 01-19-2021 at 02:52 AM.
That's where the argument falls apart to Mfauli though. Because he is that guy and still doesn't realize he's doing things wrong.
He watches this and goes "Man, this guy is just like me, he's got it aaall figured out!" and then he goes online and is like "Wait, everyone is calling him a scumbag. Dumb SJWs!!"
No, we're interpreting things the way they were shown. Might more have been going on? Yes. But they haven't shown that.
Meanwhile, you're assuming a bunch of hypothetical things that could have happened, but weren't shown, and then going "Yeah, that's probably what was really going on" while forming your headcanon of this character based on a bunch of shit you made up.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 01-19-2021 at 04:54 AM.
When my parents 'tried something/talk to me', it'd amount to ignoring what truly worries me, making fun of my ideas, and demanding things that'd only further my misery. The only reason why they gave me shelter and food was because 'what would the neighbors think ...!'.
You're interpreting things in the most convenient way for everyone BUT him. Reminder that I never said he was a good person, just that there's nothing showing him as a shit person, either.
Uhm... but there is.
And I'm not interpreting much at all. I'm pointing out the scenes.
There is reason as to why the animator went out of his way to animate him smashing his fist against the wall to shut up his parents.
He could've shown us the same scene with him just ignoring his parents pleading for reason. You do realize that the impact of the scene is completely different, right?
edit: The same could be said about the funeral scene.
He wasn't "disconnected" or apathetic, he was enjoying himself watching porn while his whole family had a rough time and he doesn't care. Yet at same time, he lives in the house of his parents as a 34 year old but never did *anything* in his adult live to make up for it. He's certainly not paying them any money? Or helping them do stuff?
If that isn't shitty behaviour, what is? If his parents are so "bad" why doesn't he go somewhere else? He's an adult.
The "Ifs and buts" part is about you guys assuming stuff that wasn't shown and me saying that we might as well assume stuff in favor and not just stuff against a certain viewpoint.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 01-19-2021 at 03:57 AM.
As Munsu pointed out a while ago at this point, the contrast is the part that matters. The effects of his past on Earth linger into his new present, and make it interesting. You don't really see in his first five years that he never left the half-walls of their house until Roxy and Zenith discuss it. You don't really grasp that he's never had a friend his own age, that he's never even talked to any of the other kids in the village, or even many of the other adults outside his immediate household.
His parents and the maid definitely noticed.
But he was clearly shown as a shitty person before he had his first big shift in the past when saving the teens.
He has no need to save them, he shouldn't care given he was thrown out of his little sanctuary moments before. He's furious. They're also high school students, who he perpetually fears and despises at the same moment from being bullied in the past. But he does call out to them after a few moments of hesitation. He does cross the street and get them out of immediate danger by whatever means.
And yeah, they're not even grateful. Two of them ran off. Or maybe they're terrified and consoling each other that they were having an argument, and an overweight guy saved them at the cost of his own life. Maybe we'll never know.
Storytelling basics. Everything we've seen of his prior to that moment isn't great (not appearances, in actions). Some of it is reprehensible. Maybe some of it even repulsive. But we see his character development his first selfless act in decades. Show a before, so the moment of change and the after parts matter more.
We can accept that he was a shitty person. But he's changing now, and the lingering after effects are poisoning his present, and he's slowly overcoming them across years. A nice shift in pace from "I'm the hero now and my entire previous life can be turned around in an instant!" Seriously this time, though I do love that KonoSuba handles it with them all being shitty people still (except Darkness).
You keep emphasizing that they're family. I keep telling you that the word 'family' has zero value depending on an individual person with individual experiences. Some children even kill their parents and it's ok depending on context. Stop using 'but family!' as an end-all.
That's me. I offered to pay, but my parents didn't want to sign the papers from social welfare; so they got no money, but complained about me not paying anyway. I keep offering to help with various things; they keep refusing my help or when I do, they insult me for how I do it. Why do they not throw me out? Because 'what would the neighbors think?!'. Why am I still living here? Because I suffer from two-fold depression and any alternative would be even worse. "He is an adult" - that's age, nothing more.Yet at same time, he lives in the house of his parents as a 34 year old but never did *anything* in his adult live to make up for it. He's certainly not paying them any money? Or helping them do stuff?
DarthEnder tries to ridicule me, but all I'm trying to say is that nothing what we've seen so far makes him a 'shit person'. Yes, there are many 'what if's. But how about not assuming the worst, especially when he DIED because he wanted to save others?
PS: Just for the record: I am not thinking about murdering my parents, and I would go to their funeral, if I'd be able to. When I think about them being dead I start crying, I love them, but there's things that just aren't ok and that, in turn, don't make me a shit person. That's why I strongly empathize with that guy. And I'm 100% sure that a lot of the people hating him (maybe not you guys) do so because of how gross he looked before his reincarnation.
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