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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I hope this is not true.
    If not, they are telegraphing extremely obviously to eventually subvert it.

    They are overtly making a shitload of references to The Tempest (which for the record is an absolutely terrible play, arguably one of Shakespeare's worst).

    Image detailing all the parallels so far. Don't click it if you'd rather not know.
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    Is Prospero the villain in that play? It's not clear in the image you shared.
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    Depends on the perspective. He is either listed as "a dark protagonist" by traditionalists or listed among one of the antagonists by those who view the play in a more modern way. He fits both roles depending on how you view the play as a whole and the narrative arcs they go through. The image leaves out how Prospero uses his powers on other characters and the lies he tells throughout the early acts.

    It's one of the Late Plays, where it fits as neither a Comedy or a Tragedy archetype as with the other plays.

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    Eps 04

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    You know what's refreshing? A native space girl being terrified of her first goat.

    And a girl named after a mouse socking a racist bitch in the jaw and knocking her out cold in a single hit.

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    The mother does give off villain vibes when she's under the helmet. I know nothing of Tempest and will leave it that way for now.

    It'll be some time before Suletta can match that guy in a normal suit. She's reading fundamentals right now in piloting non-telepathic suits.

    It's weird that they just keep getting to retry the exam. Punching students sound like grounds for dismissal or heavy penalty. If tampering with the exam is such a no-no that it excuses violence and gives the girls another re-sit of the exam, then the "we don't stop exams because you didn't check your suit properly" excuse doesn't fly.

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    Eps 05

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    Ugh, and I was hoping there wasn't going to be a newtype for once...

    At least he's not the main character, and he's already super pissed off and jealous that a non-augmented (as far as he and the audience know) person has the same abilities to sync with a Gundam that he does, without the deeply invasive surgeries he underwent. The also very strange comment that he is, "borrowing someone's face," and wondered if Suletta does too. Elan is an interesting character, to say the least. They normally save the bitter envy for way later, so this is a huge plus.

    It would be a huge surprise if Suletta actually lost Aerial temporarily at the end of next episode, but my guess is that she has a tough initial fight followed by a conclusive win due to her better connection to Aerial.

    Guel is somewhere still between an asshole (hard to forgive him when he was treating Miorine like his toy), a fool (losing constantly despite his otherwise very high win record and good piloting instincts), and what is hopefully a better man in the end (he went like a jealous lover, but got enraged when he saw that Elan made Suletta cry). Guel's girl sycophants certainly have their cute moments.

    On the other hand, I do want to see Dueling Committe resident snarky bitch Secelia put up or shut up at some point in the series. She lounges on the couches and makes verbal jabs all day without consequences or even someone talking back to her. Maybe it's Chuchu and Nika's job to put her in her place.

    And of course Miorine still barges in wherever she pleases, hah.

    The series is loaded with Shakespeare tropes, character interaction references, and homages all over, which is actually a lot of fun for someone familiar with a lot of the plays. Miorine even addressed it directly with an otherwise throwaway line. A nice wink to the audience.

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    The also very strange comment that he is, "borrowing someone's face," and wondered if Suletta does too.
    He's an augmented clone of someone else is my guess.

    It would be a huge surprise if Suletta actually lost Aerial temporarily at the end of next episode
    I struggle to see this happen, because if without Ariel she can't duel, and duelling is the only thing that lets her progress in this school. Given that Peil Technologies is also using GUND Format, they'll probably just stay hushed about Ariel.
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    But was Suletta even using the Permet activation? I don't think I've ever seen her use it before, even during tense moments in her duels. It might be a leftover function that she herself has no need of using.
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    Suletta never activates it, at least not vocally. The permit activation levels seem to just be gradual activation (?neural link) and a safety measure so you don't fry yourself with too much neural stimulus. Suletta just dives right in, but I think that she still drives it via neurons as opposed to physical input. She was a kid after all when she used this well.

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    She probably doesn't need to raise the Permet score because she started below Layer 33 and had access to Lfrith's full functionality. Who knows how high she is now with her own sister-mecha Aerial.

    Not sure she even activated the Bit Staves using controls in her first fight. They activated on the screens in the background behind Miorine (who caught the notification in the corner of her eye) while Suletta was booting Aerial back up under her control.

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    Suletta is born on Mercury in a permet mining environnement. Her mother probably had all of her pregnancy there. It's even possible she was piloting a gundam or even aerial prototype while pregnant.

    I would'nt then be surprised if Suletta has permet in her body and natural permet/neuron connexions.

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    Episode 6

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    That got real dark, real fast.

    And it is starting to appear that Aerial is the true ethical nightmare mobile suit, not the similarly terrible stuff the Three Houses are up to.

    If the remark at the beginning where it had been 21 years since [cut off by Elnora] is referring to the destruction of Vanadis and not deliberately misleading us by actually referring to an earlier event that occurred between the doctor and Bel, then Eri should be 25, not 17. The biggest grudge in Elnora's life that Bel was referring to has to be losing her husband and the rest of her adoptive family, and the simplest solution for that apparent mismatch in time is that Suletta is a clone.

    Elnora is purposefully taunting former colleagues with Aerial and Suletta to draw them out and destroy them for her revenge to be complete.

    Worse still, there's absolutely no reason the Bit Staves should manifest as individual Ericht phantoms to someone else deep in Permet synchronization unless there really is something horribly wrong with the way Aerial was built. They've been hinting at Aerial really being a true sibling to Suletta for a while, and Elnora refers to both of them in a kinda off way. As in, which one is really the daughter that she trusts; the girl living out her wishlist or the Gundam. The Bit Staves are "better controlled" than even an engineered cyborg at Permet Score 4 can manage, so maybe the main body isn't the only thing with something inside it, which would explain the phantoms even more.

    I didn't want to believe it, but there's a strong possibility now that the "solution" to the data storms was to put a human brain inside a mobile suit to moderate it for the pilot. Maybe the opportunity arose when Ericht got hurt the same way that Elnora is pretending (horrible radiation burns from Mercury's environment) and the two agreed to start their revenge when Ericht was 8 years old.

    Or maybe this is further misdirection yet, similar to the real Elan standing in the wings, meaning Ericht is in hiding as well and will appear in 2nd part. If that's the case, maybe Aerial and Suletta are twin clones.

    Hard to gauge what the "simplest" answer is.

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    On a simpler level: students building twin vectorial thrusters from that trash and still beating state of the art suit said to be the fastest of the fast... I don't even remember seeing two similar looking thrusters...

    Aerial already had drones and now it can also generate a permet jamming wave ? Convenient at this moment of the fight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    On a simpler level: students building twin vectorial thrusters from that trash and still beating state of the art suit said to be the fastest of the fast... I don't even remember seeing two similar looking thrusters...

    Aerial already had drones and now it can also generate a permet jamming wave ? Convenient at this moment of the fight...
    It's been somewhat implied that Nika is probably the best engineering maintenance student enrolled at the moment. The innards might be different, but the cowling, paint, and testing/adjustments make them perform as a pair. It got exploded anyway. As for the speed, Suletta started catching up because she used the thrusters on the Bit Staves to meet the Pharact's performance.

    The way Aerial uses them really is quite broken. Shield, beam cannon, bits, and thrusters. No wonder the big three wanted to destroy them as a competitor.

    I'm not so sure it was a jamming wave so much as flooding the Pharact's systems with its own GUND-ARM connections.

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    Still it would have been a little better if they got thrusters thanks to Guel and Nika had to adapt them. After all, she did that miracle in a very short amount of time which makes it even harder to swallow.

    Jamming by overload ? could be. But Elan was not hurt so I'm not that sure.

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    Edit:

    I went back and watched a few old episodes:

    -When Ericht used the Lfrith as a toddler, she exhibited the blue "face rash" as opposed to the red one that the others suffer from data storm. Suletta doesn't exhibit any while piloting Ariel.

    -Even back in episode 00, they mentioned stuff like "talk to her" and "waking her up" (referring to Lfrith). The old doctor also said that Lfrith was special, and represents the future of Gundam, and humanity's survival in space - not mere weapons like the other two suits (that got destroyed in battle).

    I agree with Ryll that there's reasonable suspicion to think that there's some biological implantations within the special Gundams. One of the critiques if Gund-Arms in episode 00 suggested how unnatural it is for an inorganic machine to be controlled by human brain. What if Gundams were the next evolution of humanity - not just cyborgs but actual human brains implanted in a mobile suit?

    We're also now privy of the fact that faceswap technology is perfected in this universe. Look-alikes don't have to be clones. Plastic surgery alone can do this.
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    Eps - 07

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    And with that, Elnora/Prospera confirms that the Prologue was 21 years ago, meaning that Ericht should be 25, not 17. Suletta isn't Ericht. Aerial most probably is.

    It also means that Miorine's mother wasn't killed by Gundam tech and causing Delling to go on his crusade as a few elsewhere have speculated.

    They also injected some very awkward and uncomfortable relation between Shaddiq and Nika. Potential betrayal of Earth House.

    But all in all, this was Miorine's episode to shine. Showing off her business acumen, not taking Prospera's bait about completely splintering herself from her father (even though what did happen is probably still somehow exactly what Elnora planned to have happen in some form or another), and even embracing the benefits she has while thematically throwing off the trappings of her social and political advantages...or appearing as such so she could run faster and get him to buy in to her business and trick everyone else present to follow him.

    I was pretty satisfied with Miorine's growth here. Disappointed with Suletta's backsliding. But that's why they're paired as wives. Miorine has the backbone and intelligence while Suletta provides the opportunity and heart.

    I do have to wonder why the stage operates in a deeply unsafe manner though.

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    Loved the Yoasobi cameo on one of the robots.

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    Haven't watched Gundam since Build Fighters and finally started watching this now. Wasn't really expecting that big of a difference in the vibe from the prologue to the main show but overall enjoying how this has played out so far. The lighthearted school part complete with students dueling each other to all the things are going around in the background. Gives off a refreshing feel compared to regular Gundam shows I've watched.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Suletta isn't Ericht. Aerial most probably is.
    This theory reminds me a lot of Soukou no Strain where they have an extra brain link up with the mech so that they can control it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryll
    And with that, Elnora/Prospera confirms that the Prologue was 21 years ago
    When did she confirm that the prologue was 21 years ago this episode?

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