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    Elnora sounds like she is manipulating everybody, and I honestly wanna be surprised that isn't the case, and that even if Aerial is her first daughter, she ended up that way due to an accident, so Elnora is just trying to make best use of what is left for her.
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    Elnora speaks so devoid of honest emotion that I wouldn't be surprised if her body and mind had long been overtaken by a Gundam-AI, maybe she's the Aerial's true conscious or something like that. She's been creepy from the start (but not during the epilogue).

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    Do you mean prologue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Do you mean prologue?
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    Elnora is manipulative, but what how Suletta ended up (being able to kill a terrorist) and what she did (killed a terrorist) isn't wrong. Sure, the mental steps she took to get there were shortcutted by the whole "gain 2 if you advance" stuff her mum spouts, but it got her to where she needed to be (to be able to kill terrorists).

    Miorine will hopefully get there too, but now we have to watch her bitch about Suletta being murderer for however many episodes it takes for her to concede that it was necessary.

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    Hopefully it doesn't even take one episode and she realizes she was cruel for what she said to Suletta. Whether that fixes the damage she did to Suletta is another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Hopefully it doesn't even take one episode and she realizes she was cruel for what she said to Suletta. Whether that fixes the damage she did to Suletta is another story.
    Total opposite: I hope this causes a permanent rift between the two and Suletta joins the Earth witches, becoming a terrorist. Meanwhile Miorine at long last grows up a bit due to her father's death and turns into a proper leader. The anime ends with both trying to kill each other.

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    That development is so overdone in Gundam though. The friends eventually becoming enemies is a Gundam cliche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    That development is so overdone in Gundam though. The friends eventually becoming enemies is a Gundam cliche.
    Really? With 2 young girls in the main role?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    That development is so overdone in Gundam though. The friends eventually becoming enemies is a Gundam cliche.
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    Really? With 2 young girls in the main role?
    They've already shown to some degree that they're willing to avoid that annoying mainstay of Gundam (and much of anime in general). Miorine and Suletta have had rifts before and Miorine has been the one to force the discussion and quickly mend things before they fester.

    I would assume this time would be Suletta's turn since she, "did the wrong."

    Suletta takes a more active role in the combat-centric and otherwise action stuff (regardless of how passive she comes off, she does in fact drive all the major story elements), while Miorine take the lead in the social, business, and negotiation table. It's been consistent thus far. Now Suletta has to step up and make a real advancement in the social sphere to fix this.

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    WfM - 14

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    There's your escalation episode.

    The cockpit targeting lock sensor is a cool feature of mobile suits in this setting. Sunrise, both for Gundam and Code Geass, understand that it is a good element to mecha combat in fiction to focus on the difference in limbs that can be sacrificed, or cockpits that can be explicitly targeted. Putting a sensor and warning that specifically tracks target locks on the vulnerable cockpit is really cool.

    The theme that Suletta is becoming someone that horrifies everyone because she doesn't die from the data storms is a good contrast to the other parts of the show. She's apparently the least human out of everyone but acts the most civilized and has the biggest heart out of the entire cast. Most others are showing the flavors of what being human truly means.

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    I'd forgotten that Elan was back to being another "dispensable face-changed person" instead of the actual aristocrat version.

    Weapon output being regulated makes a lot of sense actually, given the whole "our shields make this duel very safe" premise.

    Given the name Quiet Zero and that the datastorm is can control/communicate, I'm guessing we're back to the staple "Hivemind for universal peace" concept of peace that these guys are striving for.

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    I wish it were different, like some sort of universal watchdog that will surveil everyone and pawn you if you try something funny. Like Psycho Pass.
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    Eps 15

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    A decent or even good vignette episode full of well-executed cliche plot turns.


    The main action aside that I have no real complaints about, I'll bring up the other stuff. It wasn't that obvious because they did skim over it really fast with Shaqqiq and his father and Miorine and the Cathedra dude, "Where's the war?" has been answered. It's all the time, whenever they feel like it, generally on Earth. The Benerit Group partitioned up resources across the solar system to themselves, including carving up Earth's resources to fund their ongoing development of space. They re-partition it when the resources start to get uneven or the corporate power balance has gotten out of date with what they allocated out (i.e. which company is on top in terms of shares). Fight a little war, expel whoever is living in a spot they want, repeat.

    They justify keeping the agreement under the guise of "protecting Earth's biosphere." Shaddiq wants to flip the ownership to Earth, but he still really means he wants a monopoly because he stupidly thinks he knows better than everyone.

    Miorine rejected his request for her to join him back in season 1 because he is still playing in the corporate kindergarten and doesn't know it, while she's been subjected to result of the backroom deals all these years. Ones that she's now finding out are hiding the actual goal: Quiet Zero.

    Batshit insane technology that her mother hypothesized was possible, her father is scrambling to create in her memory, and Elnora wants to steal for her own personal ends.

    Destroying the Gundams before was a means her father decided on to put a damper on the war casualties. Like we saw with Sophie, the GUND-ARM tech will kill the pilots, but the Gundam is still ready to use again by the next disposable pilot.
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    I'm glad they cleared up a few things.

    First bit was why the school was set up the way it is - now it makes sense (besides paying homage).

    The next bit that I was confused about was why Delling was so hell-bent on wiping out Gundams when he actually embraces it. Exactly when he started becoming interested is uncertain, and how did Earth get Gundams anyway? Suletta's mum is one answer, though any other "witches" would be the other answer - since that's what they're calling all the ex-biotechs from the original prosthesis tech company.

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    I'm quite impressed at Suletta's logic. It's true that everything her mother's advised her to do so far has worked out, and given that she acknowledges that she knows a lot less, she's accepting her mother's guidance 100% right now even if it means murder. Hard to argue with 100% success rate from her perspective.

    I don't get why Elan is going to report the tech. The only thing she's hidden is perhaps her origin. Her actual work on experimental humans and gundams is obvious. Of course they would have read between the lines and knew of her connection to the original Vanadis Institute.

    Eri going GTFO was pretty cool. I wonder if Suletta gets to visualise Eri as well - so far I've assumed it was just voices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'm quite impressed at Suletta's logic. It's true that everything her mother's advised her to do so far has worked out, and given that she acknowledges that she knows a lot less, she's accepting her mother's guidance 100% right now even if it means murder. Hard to argue with 100% success rate from her perspective.
    Nah, Suletta is warped very badly by Elnora, and Miorine caught on immediately. They've established across the last few episodes that while Elnora has two daughters...she's mostly focused on her first. Suletta is a means to an end, and it's becoming more clear that Elnora is grooming Suletta to be the trigger for Quiet Zero and her revenge. Probably sacrificially. The first daughter she loves, but the second daughter, she raised to OBEY. Suletta has led a very isolated and dangerous life if you read the prologue short story from Ericht's perspective on their website. Suletta has been piloting Aerial since she was a very small child. She's good at it because she never once thinks about herself, she just implicitly trusts the people close to her. She never realizes when she's being lied to. Also seen with the way she interacts with the three Elans.

    Eri cares for Suletta. Eri does still want revenge along with her mother. But Eri does not want Suletta to pay the price for that "Circle of Sin."

    I don't get why Elan is going to report the tech. The only thing she's hidden is perhaps her origin. Her actual work on experimental humans and gundams is obvious. Of course they would have read between the lines and knew of her connection to the original Vanadis Institute.

    Eri going GTFO was pretty cool. I wonder if Suletta gets to visualise Eri as well - so far I've assumed it was just voices.
    Elan is a fucking idiot for thinking it is a good idea to run off and tattle on Bel because he was upset about how the attempted hijacking went. Bel's modifications to his body almost certainly saved his life.

    Eri's Cosmic Horror encounter with him should have killed him.

    I don't think she was playing around, since she knew his intentions from the moment he tried to sync. He pushed in anyway, and she responded. Eri pushed his body well beyond the point that the other gundams killed Sophie or even Eri's own father. Easily well past Permet Score 4. We know that Suletta can handle Score 8 or more, but most people used to die at Score 3. Sophie and Norea were trained to handle Score 3 routinely, and Score 4 for a matter of seconds to override the Antitode systems, but it nearly kills them doing it and they have to pull back immediately to recover.

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    I don't think Ericht wanted to kill manwhore. She was clearly saying just to get out, not disappear or die. She even very nicely helped him exit her innards.

    I actually question whether Eri is mature and smart enough to understand revenge and how her dad died. She might have stopped aging and maturing when her original died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I actually question whether Eri is mature and smart enough to understand revenge and how her dad died. She might have stopped aging and maturing when her original died.
    I'd probably think that way based on her appearance and that Elnora says she's just data beyond the data storm, but there's two factors against that: 1) Elnora has no way to talk to Eri at all so she doesn't really know the full situation either and 2) based on the way that Suletta talks to her (and also the tone Cradle Planet is written in), I'd lean toward Eri acting her true age.

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    Ep 17

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    Damn, even when we know of of Miorine's motive, that was brutal.

    I don't see how this is going to make Suletta any less of a tool. Right now, the only person she has is in fact her mother now. She's going to be as dependant on her as ever.

    At the beginning of the series, I didn't expect Guel to break and reform into such a cool, reliable guy. Him, Elan and Shaddiq have all shuffled around in terms of likability for various reasons.

    Having read that story Ryll linked, Ariel does read as if she is quite mature.

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