TV/Movie General Discussion

[UChessmaster]

Still a detective story.

How is it a detective story when he didn`t do any actual detective work?

And they already covered the detective aspects of Batman very well in the first two movies.

Oh yeah, I forgot his IQ was meant to drop 70 points after two movies.

Edit: How stupid would it be for Blade or Static Shock to be White?

Very stupid considering the low amount of black super heroes in entertainment. How stupid would it be for Nick Fury to be black? oh wait, black Fury worked.

Im not doubting actor's ability to portray Johnny Storm's personality, but the fact of the matter is that Johnny Storm is white. You seem to have difficulty seeing that this is much more noticeable than a few inches on an actor.

Is it more noticeable? sure, but it certainly didn`t stop people from bitching, where are these people now? If whoever got casted does a good enough role, people will forget about his skin color, just like Samuel L. Jackson and just like Hugh Jackman. Also, news flash; Johnny Storm`s basic characteristic is not that he`s white, it`s that he can turn on fire. THAT, I promise you, will not change.

[Carnage]

Im going to stop arguing after this but:

How is it a detective story when he didn`t do any actual detective work?

I only watched the movie once but from what I recall it a mystery for the audience. He never figured it out himself but, but it was still a mystery. Either way, detective work had already been covered in the first two movies.

Very stupid considering the low amount of black super heroes in entertainment. How stupid would it be for Nick Fury to be black? oh wait, black Fury worked.

But I thought race didn't matter? Why would you or anyone else care? They could make up for it with another minority lead.

Is it more noticeable? sure, but it certainly didn`t stop people from bitching, where are these people now? If whoever got casted does a good enough role, people will forget about his skin color, just like Samuel L. Jackson and just like Hugh Jackman. Also, news flash; Johnny Storm`s basic characteristic is not that he`s white, it`s that he can turn on fire. THAT, I promise you, will not change.

But people had been bitching. And yes, it did work, because nobody under the age 22 fucking knew who Nick Fury was before the Ultimate Universe. I grew up with a black Nick Fury, it was completely normal to me, but my older brother was surprised having been a huge fan of the older X-men and Spiderman cartoons (and actually remembering it). And again, Nick Fury had never been a big name so it was easy to change. He's hadn't exactly been "iconic" before they based him of Sammy J.

Sorry to burst your bubble. No being white/black/asian isn't a super power, but it is a relevant part of a character's identity. Much more noticeable than a few inches in height or years in age.

[UChessmaster]

I only watched the movie once but from what I recall it a mystery for the audience. He never figured it out himself but, but it was still a mystery. Either way, detective work had already been covered in the first two movies.

There was never any mistery, Talia`s reveal was a plot twist. I don`t think anyone was wondering who is Ra`s kid. And if Batman is a detective (The world`s greatest detective at that), he should be in each and every movie.

But I thought race didn't matter? Why would you or anyone else care? They could make up for it with another minority lead.

One of the reason of introducing a black character is because there`s a painfully low amount of black characters, subtracting one is a little bit counter productive.

But people had been bitching. And yes, it did work, because nobody under the age 22 fucking knew who Nick Fury was before the Ultimate Universe. I grew up with a black Nick Fury, it was completely normal to me, but my older brother was surprised having been a huge fan of the older X-men and Spiderman cartoons (and actually remembering it). And again, Nick Fury had never been a big name so it was easy to change. He's hadn't exactly been "iconic" before they based him of Sammy J.

So are you saying Fury is ok because he was turned into a black character a long time ago? Do you see the problem here? If they go through with Johnny storm, in 15 years you shouldn`t have any problem whatsoever.

Sorry to burst your bubble. No being white/black/asian isn't a super power, but it is a relevant part of a character's identity. Much more noticeable than a few inches in height or years in age.

According to who? I don`t understand how Johnny storm suddenly loses his identity because his melanocytes spiked in activity.

Im going to stop arguing after this

Why?

[Carnage]

Because we won't convince each other.

There was never any mistery, Talia`s reveal was a plot twist. I don`t think anyone was wondering who is Ra`s kid. And if Batman is a detective (The world`s greatest detective at that), he should be in each and every movie.

No, because Batman is about more than just being a detective. The third movie covered his inability to get over his parent's death and rest from fighting crime. He doesn't always have to be a detective, that aspect has already been covered. Again, you're just grasping at straws now.

One of the reason of introducing a black character is because there`s a painfully low amount of black characters, subtracting one is a little bit counter productive.

I was parodying you and sapphire. If race isn't an identity component to you guys, then it shouldn't matter in the first place.

So are you saying Fury is ok because he was turned into a black character a long time ago? Do you see the problem here? If they go through with Johnny storm, in 15 years you shouldn`t have any problem whatsoever.



According to who? I don`t understand how Johnny storm suddenly loses his identity because his melanocytes spiked in activity.

No, I was saying that you don't hear people being disgruntled because you're probably not around the people who are, who happen to be an older crowd now. I'm saying its okay because to a large portion of the audience now viewing Marvel movies, Nick Fury was never an iconic character in the first place. That is why people were able to absorb it so easily.

[Animeniax]

But people had been bitching. And yes, it did work, because nobody under the age 22 fucking knew who Nick Fury was before the Ultimate Universe. I grew up with a black Nick Fury, it was completely normal to me, but my older brother was surprised having been a huge fan of the older X-men and Spiderman cartoons (and actually remembering it). And again, Nick Fury had never been a big name so it was easy to change. He's hadn't exactly been "iconic" before they based him of Sammy J.

Sorry to burst your bubble. No being white/black/asian isn't a super power, but it is a relevant part of a character's identity. Much more noticeable than a few inches in height or years in age.

I'm in that older crowd who knew Nick Fury was white with the distinctive white hair at the temples and cigar in his mouth. I bitched a bit when I saw black Fury, but then I'm with those who don't want the characters we grew up with being changed to satisfy political correctness or be more inclusive. Like you said, Stan Lee, Ditko, Kane, etc all were white guys creating characters they identified with. It wasn't some racist conspiracy to keep the black man out of comics. I'd have been just as upset if they made Nick Fury into a brown or yellow man.

I think it didn't help that it was Samuel L Jackson either. I like the guy, but I think he's over-exposed. Denzel Washington would have made a good black Fury. He has the squarish head and athletic build (and hair that they could add white to the temples).